1 00:00:07,758 --> 00:00:10,258 [PHOTOCOPIER WHIRRING, BEEPS] 2 00:00:14,890 --> 00:00:17,520 [COPIER WHINES, CLICKS] 3 00:00:17,935 --> 00:00:20,185 [BEEPING RAPIDLY] 4 00:00:28,403 --> 00:00:29,993 [RATTLES] 5 00:00:30,781 --> 00:00:31,781 [BANGS VIOLENTLY] 6 00:00:33,742 --> 00:00:34,742 Let me help you. 7 00:00:34,826 --> 00:00:37,496 - Oh, I can get it. J-Just show me. - [PHOTOCOPIER BEEPS] 8 00:00:37,829 --> 00:00:39,189 This one's been acting up all day. 9 00:00:39,998 --> 00:00:41,650 Then you shouldn't let people use it. 10 00:00:41,696 --> 00:00:43,168 [MAN] You gotta really get in there. 11 00:00:43,585 --> 00:00:44,585 [LATCH OPENS] 12 00:00:46,838 --> 00:00:47,838 Poetry, huh? 13 00:00:48,382 --> 00:00:51,052 [ADT SERVICEMAN] You really need to put an "Out of Order" sign on it. 14 00:00:51,218 --> 00:00:52,218 This is only half. 15 00:00:53,387 --> 00:00:54,757 All right. Well, take the original. 16 00:00:54,846 --> 00:00:56,556 I need the other half. 17 00:00:57,260 --> 00:00:58,920 The Xerox guy's gonna have to clear it. 18 00:00:58,950 --> 00:01:00,226 Then call one. 19 00:01:00,811 --> 00:01:02,941 That's my property. I'm not leaving without it. 20 00:01:28,005 --> 00:01:30,665 [THEME MUSIC PLAYING] 21 00:02:41,100 --> 00:02:46,100 - Synced & corrected by MementMori - -- www.addic7ed.com -- 22 00:03:04,226 --> 00:03:07,976 [GREGG] The bodies were dismembered, stuffed in trash bags, 23 00:03:08,063 --> 00:03:10,573 and spent between two and six weeks in the Hudson River. 24 00:03:12,150 --> 00:03:14,190 None of the six victims was ever identified. 25 00:03:14,277 --> 00:03:15,947 Cause of death never determined. 26 00:03:16,029 --> 00:03:17,909 Police were able to trace, 27 00:03:18,615 --> 00:03:20,075 uh, the articles of clothing 28 00:03:20,150 --> 00:03:22,380 to a fetish shop on Christopher Street 29 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:23,920 that catered to the leather community. 30 00:03:24,371 --> 00:03:25,871 And there's the Lambda tattoo. 31 00:03:25,956 --> 00:03:27,286 Maybe he was a Greek scholar. 32 00:03:27,374 --> 00:03:30,294 Paul Bateson frequented the gay bars in the Meatpacking District, 33 00:03:30,377 --> 00:03:32,247 but police could never connect him to the bodies. 34 00:03:32,337 --> 00:03:33,877 He was only convicted for one murder 35 00:03:33,964 --> 00:03:36,514 because he called a journalist and confessed to it. 36 00:03:36,591 --> 00:03:38,761 The final victim, Addison Verrill. 37 00:03:38,844 --> 00:03:41,054 Who was not dismembered and stuffed in a bag, 38 00:03:41,138 --> 00:03:43,768 so why should we talk to this guy if we don't even know he did these? 39 00:03:43,849 --> 00:03:46,139 Because he told a friend he was the Bag Murderer. 40 00:03:46,226 --> 00:03:47,556 And that he liked to kill. 41 00:03:47,811 --> 00:03:49,650 Isn't someone who practices S&M 42 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:52,150 already equating arousal with violence? 43 00:03:52,232 --> 00:03:53,612 - He's just a step... - S/M. 44 00:03:55,777 --> 00:03:58,777 The correct terminology is S/M. Sadomasochism. 45 00:03:59,156 --> 00:04:00,566 Not "sado and masochism." 46 00:04:01,950 --> 00:04:03,902 S/M is primarily the exchange of power 47 00:04:03,930 --> 00:04:05,660 between a dominant and a submissive. 48 00:04:05,746 --> 00:04:07,280 Pain and violence are just two types 49 00:04:07,324 --> 00:04:08,706 of currency within that exchange. 50 00:04:08,790 --> 00:04:12,540 There's also humiliation, fear, sometimes even tickling. 51 00:04:12,627 --> 00:04:14,047 Tickled to death? Whole new meaning. 52 00:04:14,129 --> 00:04:16,049 The fact that one of the victims wore a dog collar 53 00:04:16,131 --> 00:04:17,841 makes me think our guy likes to be in charge. 54 00:04:17,924 --> 00:04:19,514 Well, due to the condition of the bodies, 55 00:04:19,590 --> 00:04:21,100 we have no evidence of how he killed 56 00:04:21,140 --> 00:04:23,490 or whether S/M was even one of his MOs. 57 00:04:23,513 --> 00:04:25,023 Who else would prey on guys like these? 58 00:04:25,098 --> 00:04:27,558 They were into the same stuff, and he gets off on going too far. 59 00:04:27,642 --> 00:04:30,152 Well, this isn't just a case of someone who occasionally 60 00:04:30,228 --> 00:04:33,728 crossed the line of consent. This is a practiced, organized killer. 61 00:04:33,815 --> 00:04:37,105 Dismembering and disposing of the bodies without witnesses? 62 00:04:37,194 --> 00:04:38,824 I mean, that takes planning and commitment. 63 00:04:38,904 --> 00:04:40,744 [GREGG] Well, there's no denying his victim pool 64 00:04:40,822 --> 00:04:42,912 is specific to what gives him sexual pleasure. 65 00:04:42,991 --> 00:04:45,411 - But they're low-hanging fruit for him. - [CHUCKLES] I'll say. 66 00:04:45,494 --> 00:04:48,414 He's accepted in their environment, and he knows how to lure them. 67 00:04:48,497 --> 00:04:49,787 [HOLDEN] They actually want to be tied up. 68 00:04:49,873 --> 00:04:52,133 So you're saying his victim selection is about opportunity. 69 00:04:52,209 --> 00:04:53,879 [CARR] I'm just saying that it would be interesting 70 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:55,090 to find out how essential 71 00:04:55,170 --> 00:04:57,760 his sexual practices were to how he killed. 72 00:04:57,839 --> 00:04:58,839 [CARR] And why. 73 00:04:59,508 --> 00:05:01,428 You know, was sadomasochism... 74 00:05:02,052 --> 00:05:04,892 just a convenient way for Bateson to find his victims, 75 00:05:04,971 --> 00:05:07,331 - or was it fundamental to his... - [HOLDEN] That's Atlanta. 76 00:05:08,767 --> 00:05:09,937 It's the police commissioner. 77 00:05:10,685 --> 00:05:13,015 As Jackson said, we would like to applaud 78 00:05:13,814 --> 00:05:16,114 the decision made by the Department of Justice 79 00:05:16,525 --> 00:05:18,855 to open an FBI investigation 80 00:05:18,944 --> 00:05:20,494 into Atlanta's missing 81 00:05:20,570 --> 00:05:21,700 and murdered children. 82 00:05:22,739 --> 00:05:24,659 Director Webster has assured me 83 00:05:24,908 --> 00:05:27,738 that the bureau will coordinate with our own task force 84 00:05:27,828 --> 00:05:31,578 and make their abundant resources available to our city. 85 00:05:33,792 --> 00:05:35,632 [GUNN] We've already been to Atlanta once. 86 00:05:35,836 --> 00:05:37,046 We've done the background work. 87 00:05:37,128 --> 00:05:38,258 [MAN ON SPEAKER] The vice president's placing 88 00:05:38,330 --> 00:05:39,870 the highest priority on this. 89 00:05:39,890 --> 00:05:40,900 I don't want us to look 90 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:42,820 like we're running a research project down there. 91 00:05:42,840 --> 00:05:43,860 Absolutely not. 92 00:05:43,885 --> 00:05:45,505 We're there to get convictions. 93 00:05:45,595 --> 00:05:48,305 All right, Ted. I'll call Wyman, tell him we're sending the BSU 94 00:05:48,390 --> 00:05:50,600 instead of that third canine unit he wants. 95 00:05:51,017 --> 00:05:52,517 They better be house-trained. 96 00:05:52,602 --> 00:05:54,402 [GUNN] And on a short leash. You have my word. 97 00:05:57,250 --> 00:05:58,319 That was... 98 00:05:58,400 --> 00:05:59,400 Director Webster. 99 00:06:00,110 --> 00:06:02,360 The president doesn't want child murder 100 00:06:02,390 --> 00:06:03,990 lingering over his first 100 days, 101 00:06:04,072 --> 00:06:05,992 so he's throwing George Bush at this. 102 00:06:07,158 --> 00:06:08,828 The director wants to be sure 103 00:06:09,286 --> 00:06:11,866 the bureau comes out smelling good to this administration. 104 00:06:11,955 --> 00:06:13,705 And it came down to us or Lassie. 105 00:06:14,082 --> 00:06:15,132 [GUNN] Essentially. 106 00:06:15,542 --> 00:06:17,542 Holden, I'd like you there as soon as possible. Bill, 107 00:06:17,627 --> 00:06:18,877 you can fly out Monday, 108 00:06:19,337 --> 00:06:21,337 right after the directors' retreat. [SIGHS] 109 00:06:21,756 --> 00:06:23,506 Webster's going out on a limb. 110 00:06:23,590 --> 00:06:26,700 He needs to understand who we are, have assurance in what we can do. 111 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:27,730 Yes, sir. 112 00:06:27,762 --> 00:06:30,142 We're budgeted through the end, so pack accordingly. 113 00:06:30,223 --> 00:06:32,433 They're following 17 cases. 114 00:06:32,517 --> 00:06:34,267 [TENCH] That could be a while. 115 00:06:34,352 --> 00:06:36,902 If Webster's involved, he's going for closure. 116 00:06:38,148 --> 00:06:39,228 We want to be part of that. 117 00:06:40,442 --> 00:06:43,242 Go do what you do, but as we've learned, 118 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:45,070 our methods are not always gonna be received 119 00:06:45,155 --> 00:06:47,235 with unbridled enthusiasm, so... 120 00:06:47,324 --> 00:06:48,330 Play nice. 121 00:06:48,366 --> 00:06:49,366 Play smart. 122 00:06:53,371 --> 00:06:54,371 Bill. 123 00:06:58,376 --> 00:06:59,786 We will be okay. 124 00:07:01,171 --> 00:07:02,171 Yes, sir. 125 00:07:05,258 --> 00:07:06,588 [KNOCKS ON DOOR] 126 00:07:07,093 --> 00:07:09,973 How are we supposed to fulfill Gunn's expansive vision 127 00:07:10,055 --> 00:07:11,505 if he keeps sending you away? 128 00:07:11,932 --> 00:07:13,892 This time it comes from the very top. 129 00:07:14,350 --> 00:07:15,840 Well, I can select support staff, 130 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:18,191 but I can't recruit and train agents. 131 00:07:18,271 --> 00:07:21,521 I need to be back in town every Friday for some things with Brian. 132 00:07:21,942 --> 00:07:24,442 I'll spend the afternoon here, do what I can. 133 00:07:25,195 --> 00:07:26,565 You and Gregg take Bateson. 134 00:07:26,655 --> 00:07:27,985 Keep the interviews going. 135 00:07:28,448 --> 00:07:30,778 You're going to leave Holden alone three days a week? 136 00:07:31,159 --> 00:07:33,579 He's down there on his own till Monday as it is. 137 00:07:33,662 --> 00:07:35,662 Gunn wants me at the directors' retreat. 138 00:07:35,747 --> 00:07:37,787 I mean, last time he managed to get you tossed out, 139 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:38,850 and you were with him. 140 00:07:38,875 --> 00:07:39,995 I'll call Jim Barney. 141 00:07:40,669 --> 00:07:43,089 Ask him to be Holden's wingman till I get there. 142 00:07:43,380 --> 00:07:44,460 It's three days. 143 00:07:45,131 --> 00:07:46,131 Exactly. 144 00:07:55,308 --> 00:07:57,478 - [DOOR OPENS] - [TENCH] Nance? 145 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:00,980 Back here! [UNDER BREATH] Jeez. 146 00:08:08,150 --> 00:08:10,090 [IN NORMAL VOICE] Want some dinner? 147 00:08:10,128 --> 00:08:12,164 There's spaghetti and one chicken leg. 148 00:08:12,409 --> 00:08:14,789 - [KISSES] - No, I'm bushed. 149 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:18,248 How's Bri? 150 00:08:18,581 --> 00:08:19,581 He's fine. 151 00:08:21,751 --> 00:08:22,751 How was your day? 152 00:08:23,044 --> 00:08:24,054 Super. 153 00:08:26,006 --> 00:08:27,006 How super? 154 00:08:28,091 --> 00:08:30,761 It was fine. Um, hand me that bag. 155 00:08:36,975 --> 00:08:37,975 Thanks. 156 00:08:52,574 --> 00:08:53,664 Is it that bad? 157 00:08:53,742 --> 00:08:55,242 Three times this week. 158 00:08:55,910 --> 00:08:58,120 If he wets again tonight, I'm throwing them out. 159 00:08:58,650 --> 00:08:59,708 I got cheapies. 160 00:08:59,780 --> 00:09:01,740 Jesus. Brian hasn't wet the bed for... 161 00:09:01,750 --> 00:09:02,760 [NANCY] Three years and five months. 162 00:09:02,792 --> 00:09:04,462 Believe me, I remember. 163 00:09:06,171 --> 00:09:08,600 Today I found him playing with his baby toys. 164 00:09:08,620 --> 00:09:09,640 Three Men in a Tub. 165 00:09:10,008 --> 00:09:11,718 It's like he's going backwards. 166 00:09:11,801 --> 00:09:13,601 Just when he was getting some independence. 167 00:09:14,262 --> 00:09:16,142 Suddenly, I'm potty training again. 168 00:09:16,222 --> 00:09:18,142 Let's talk to Dr. Moritz tomorrow. 169 00:09:18,641 --> 00:09:20,010 Maybe it's part of the process. 170 00:09:20,045 --> 00:09:21,495 [NANCY] Oh, I haven't packed you yet. 171 00:09:21,895 --> 00:09:23,895 But your suit's back from the cleaners. 172 00:09:23,980 --> 00:09:26,690 It's okay. I'll pack. Don't worry about it. 173 00:09:26,775 --> 00:09:28,355 Oh, have you spoken to Gunn today? 174 00:09:31,696 --> 00:09:34,066 - Bill, you need to take time off. - [SIGHS] 175 00:09:34,157 --> 00:09:36,077 Brian needs you. I need help with him. 176 00:09:37,035 --> 00:09:38,745 Honey, I just found out today: 177 00:09:39,037 --> 00:09:41,287 after the retreat, I have to go to Atlanta. 178 00:09:41,372 --> 00:09:44,132 We've opened an investigation into the murders there. 179 00:09:44,209 --> 00:09:45,539 I don't have a choice. 180 00:09:47,378 --> 00:09:48,378 Okay. 181 00:09:57,138 --> 00:10:00,058 Look, I'm coming home every Thursday night 182 00:10:00,475 --> 00:10:01,975 for the Friday appointments. 183 00:10:02,519 --> 00:10:03,769 I'll stay all weekend. 184 00:10:04,229 --> 00:10:06,109 - Every week. - I said okay. 185 00:10:07,107 --> 00:10:09,187 You say there's nothing you can do, so... 186 00:10:10,652 --> 00:10:12,032 the decision's been made. 187 00:10:13,947 --> 00:10:15,197 [SIGHS] 188 00:10:57,365 --> 00:10:59,695 [MAN] My biggest complaint is I can't get to the Joffrey. 189 00:11:01,786 --> 00:11:03,196 But prison dried me out. 190 00:11:03,288 --> 00:11:06,368 I was draining two bottles of vodka a day till I lost my job. 191 00:11:06,791 --> 00:11:08,671 You were a radiology technician. 192 00:11:09,169 --> 00:11:11,299 Until I was an usher in a porn theater. 193 00:11:12,130 --> 00:11:14,670 Now I'm sober, work out every day. 194 00:11:14,757 --> 00:11:16,837 And mostly they leave me unsupervised. 195 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:20,760 Actually, I'd appreciate a little more discipline. 196 00:11:21,598 --> 00:11:23,468 [PRISONERS YELLING IN DISTANCE] 197 00:11:24,475 --> 00:11:27,055 How did you meet Addison Verrill? 198 00:11:28,313 --> 00:11:29,943 Sitting at the bar at The Anvil. 199 00:11:30,398 --> 00:11:31,608 We were doing poppers. 200 00:11:31,691 --> 00:11:33,111 Started talking porn. 201 00:11:33,568 --> 00:11:35,898 He knew them all. Appreciated the good ones. 202 00:11:36,500 --> 00:11:37,568 Good ones? 203 00:11:37,655 --> 00:11:39,985 [BATESON] Anybody can roll a camera on a piece of muscle 204 00:11:40,074 --> 00:11:41,624 plowing some bottom raw. 205 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:44,120 I can catch that live at The Tunnel. 206 00:11:44,704 --> 00:11:46,924 But there's an art to letting things happen 207 00:11:46,998 --> 00:11:48,038 in the right rhythm. 208 00:11:48,166 --> 00:11:49,916 Finding that bond in violence. 209 00:11:51,961 --> 00:11:52,961 You watch any porn? 210 00:11:55,465 --> 00:11:56,875 Bonding in violence. 211 00:11:58,009 --> 00:12:00,179 Is that how you prefer to relate to people? 212 00:12:01,012 --> 00:12:03,062 On a deeper level, probably. 213 00:12:04,015 --> 00:12:06,765 - Love is violence. Sex is violence. - [CARR] Is it? 214 00:12:06,851 --> 00:12:10,151 Every interaction is violence, it's just a matter of scale. 215 00:12:10,230 --> 00:12:12,400 How much of something do we want to feel? 216 00:12:12,815 --> 00:12:15,025 Does it feel good when your lover takes your hand 217 00:12:15,109 --> 00:12:16,569 and you didn't expect it? 218 00:12:17,654 --> 00:12:20,074 Does it feel better when he grabs your nipples? 219 00:12:20,949 --> 00:12:21,949 Twists them? 220 00:12:22,700 --> 00:12:24,580 What did Addison think about violence? 221 00:12:25,578 --> 00:12:26,658 Full into it. 222 00:12:27,330 --> 00:12:29,580 The films he liked, the things he said. I could tell. 223 00:12:29,666 --> 00:12:30,706 Is that why you picked him? 224 00:12:30,792 --> 00:12:34,052 - No, we pick each other, don't we? - [CARR] But he was your type. 225 00:12:34,128 --> 00:12:35,418 No, not really. 226 00:12:35,838 --> 00:12:37,418 Usually, I don't like swishes. 227 00:12:37,507 --> 00:12:39,047 They give us all a bad name. 228 00:12:40,843 --> 00:12:43,263 Addison was holding court at the bar. 229 00:12:43,846 --> 00:12:46,136 He could've left with anyone, but he stuck with me. 230 00:12:47,475 --> 00:12:48,555 That was nice. 231 00:12:49,680 --> 00:12:51,360 When you went back to his apartment, 232 00:12:51,390 --> 00:12:53,766 had you already decided to kill him? 233 00:12:54,770 --> 00:12:55,823 No. 234 00:12:55,900 --> 00:12:58,530 We smoked some weed. Drank some of his Scotch. 235 00:12:58,695 --> 00:13:00,275 Had lots of sex. 236 00:13:01,614 --> 00:13:04,994 He liked it rough. That's how they knew it was me. 237 00:13:05,076 --> 00:13:07,036 When I called that reporter, 238 00:13:07,912 --> 00:13:10,042 I told him the couch and rug were covered in Crisco. 239 00:13:11,082 --> 00:13:13,042 Police hadn't figured out what it was. [CHUCKLES] 240 00:13:14,294 --> 00:13:15,384 What happened after? 241 00:13:18,089 --> 00:13:19,339 I hadn't come down yet. 242 00:13:21,050 --> 00:13:23,050 He asked me if I wanted a joint. 243 00:13:23,928 --> 00:13:26,508 I hit him with a skillet, and then I stabbed him. 244 00:13:27,098 --> 00:13:30,268 Was that the natural conclusion of an arousal experience for you? 245 00:13:33,438 --> 00:13:35,978 The "rough" sex that you had, 246 00:13:36,065 --> 00:13:37,775 did it build in intensity? 247 00:13:38,026 --> 00:13:39,316 - Was... - [BATESON] Sure. 248 00:13:39,736 --> 00:13:41,526 You always wanna have somewhere to go. 249 00:13:42,030 --> 00:13:43,360 Pain is the release. 250 00:13:43,948 --> 00:13:47,328 The fear... that's what you want to play with. 251 00:13:48,036 --> 00:13:50,536 So, was killing Addison an extension of the sexual violence? 252 00:13:50,621 --> 00:13:52,171 No, we were done. 253 00:13:52,248 --> 00:13:53,418 Wore ourselves out. 254 00:13:55,293 --> 00:13:56,843 You can only go for so long. 255 00:13:57,754 --> 00:13:59,214 [CARR] Then why did you kill him? 256 00:13:59,297 --> 00:14:00,297 [DOOR SLAMS IN DISTANCE] 257 00:14:04,010 --> 00:14:06,260 [SIGHS] 258 00:14:06,554 --> 00:14:08,264 It... It wasn't a... 259 00:14:09,724 --> 00:14:11,104 soul act for him. 260 00:14:13,978 --> 00:14:15,308 I was looking for real connection. 261 00:14:15,396 --> 00:14:17,396 [CARR] Was The Anvil 262 00:14:17,482 --> 00:14:19,942 a place that you had found a real connection before? 263 00:14:20,026 --> 00:14:21,026 [BATESON] No. 264 00:14:21,652 --> 00:14:23,402 But there's always that moment... 265 00:14:24,697 --> 00:14:27,077 where something might turn into the real thing. 266 00:14:28,242 --> 00:14:29,332 It just didn't. 267 00:14:32,330 --> 00:14:34,120 That's what we're all looking for. 268 00:14:35,083 --> 00:14:36,083 Connection. 269 00:14:36,167 --> 00:14:38,667 When you went out, were you a dominant or a submissive? 270 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:40,800 [BATESON] Those days, I was a total top. 271 00:14:40,830 --> 00:14:41,917 [CARR] Those days? 272 00:14:42,006 --> 00:14:43,927 I started off as a bottom. Most do. 273 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:45,756 That's... how you learn what to do. 274 00:14:45,843 --> 00:14:47,553 What a bottom wants to feel. 275 00:14:47,637 --> 00:14:48,650 How far you can go. 276 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:51,040 So you were practiced at finding that moment 277 00:14:51,070 --> 00:14:53,260 when things could turn... 278 00:14:53,559 --> 00:14:56,269 into nothing or into connection, 279 00:14:56,354 --> 00:14:58,524 or perhaps into deeper violence. 280 00:15:02,527 --> 00:15:03,817 The Bag Murders, 281 00:15:03,903 --> 00:15:07,283 six leathermen dumped in the Hudson in garbage bags. 282 00:15:07,990 --> 00:15:10,540 Do you think that the person who killed those men 283 00:15:10,952 --> 00:15:12,412 could've been experimenting? 284 00:15:13,037 --> 00:15:15,617 Seeing how it felt to go too far? 285 00:15:15,706 --> 00:15:17,876 They keep trying to get me for those. 286 00:15:20,002 --> 00:15:21,212 Gay guy into leather. 287 00:15:21,796 --> 00:15:24,166 - So imaginative. - [CARR] It's more than that. 288 00:15:24,590 --> 00:15:27,800 You also worked in a hospital. You had some training in anatomy, 289 00:15:28,261 --> 00:15:29,641 access to medical instruments. 290 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:31,560 I wasn't squeamish if that's what you're asking. 291 00:15:31,639 --> 00:15:34,769 - But I wasn't a surgeon. - [GLENN] You did confess to a friend. 292 00:15:34,851 --> 00:15:37,521 You... actually told him, verbatim, 293 00:15:38,729 --> 00:15:40,019 "I like to kill." 294 00:15:40,189 --> 00:15:41,479 Ugh. God... 295 00:15:41,649 --> 00:15:44,569 We were all so fucked up at the time. 296 00:15:46,820 --> 00:15:48,740 The cops actually said if I confess, 297 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:50,121 I would do less time on a plea deal. 298 00:15:50,199 --> 00:15:52,289 - Less time? - [BATESON] Crazy, right? 299 00:15:52,368 --> 00:15:54,448 They just want to say they closed the books. 300 00:15:54,537 --> 00:15:55,657 Keep the queens happy. 301 00:15:55,746 --> 00:15:56,760 But I got news: 302 00:15:56,780 --> 00:16:00,037 the queens want this to be some uptight straight guy. 303 00:16:00,418 --> 00:16:01,958 Why would they care who it is? 304 00:16:02,044 --> 00:16:04,554 Perceptions matter when you're an "aberration," Anita. 305 00:16:09,010 --> 00:16:10,760 We can't be seen as eating our own. 306 00:16:11,471 --> 00:16:13,641 Do you think it was an angry straight guy? 307 00:16:15,183 --> 00:16:17,603 Leathermen can smell a straight guy a mile away. 308 00:16:18,102 --> 00:16:19,522 No one would go anywhere with him. 309 00:16:19,604 --> 00:16:21,694 Clubbers are looking for guys who know what they're doing. 310 00:16:21,772 --> 00:16:23,732 So the killer would be experienced. 311 00:16:23,816 --> 00:16:25,526 [BATESON] He'd be cruising for the guy... 312 00:16:25,943 --> 00:16:28,203 that wants exactly what he wants to give. 313 00:16:29,614 --> 00:16:32,284 He's watched a thousand guys, gone home with hundreds. 314 00:16:32,783 --> 00:16:35,543 Feeling for the right pulse, the right quickening of breath. 315 00:16:37,288 --> 00:16:40,788 He's looking for the guy that just wants it. 316 00:16:40,875 --> 00:16:42,035 Nobody wants to die. 317 00:16:42,126 --> 00:16:45,706 No, but some want to feel what it's like to almost die. 318 00:16:47,465 --> 00:16:49,215 They let you go just a bit further. 319 00:16:51,552 --> 00:16:52,642 Might even beg you. 320 00:16:53,179 --> 00:16:54,509 And that would excite him? 321 00:16:54,972 --> 00:16:56,062 Of course. 322 00:16:56,390 --> 00:16:57,820 So he would know the victims, 323 00:16:57,840 --> 00:16:59,770 may have been with them intimately before. 324 00:16:59,852 --> 00:17:01,812 [BATESON] Why waste time on an unknown? 325 00:17:02,980 --> 00:17:04,520 And then what would he do? 326 00:17:06,192 --> 00:17:07,192 And then... 327 00:17:09,487 --> 00:17:10,527 he works 'em. 328 00:17:12,406 --> 00:17:13,406 Hard. 329 00:17:14,992 --> 00:17:16,412 Until there's a connection. 330 00:17:16,869 --> 00:17:18,249 What sort of connection? 331 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:24,250 Well, that's the mystery. 332 00:17:25,586 --> 00:17:27,206 It's trust with fear. 333 00:17:27,672 --> 00:17:28,972 Complete vulnerability. 334 00:17:29,507 --> 00:17:32,297 He lets the master take him just across that line. 335 00:17:32,885 --> 00:17:33,885 How? 336 00:17:36,222 --> 00:17:37,522 How would he kill him? 337 00:17:37,598 --> 00:17:39,928 How long would he take? What would he use? 338 00:17:40,017 --> 00:17:41,557 What marks would he leave? 339 00:17:44,564 --> 00:17:46,234 Everyone in the scene's into their own thing. 340 00:17:46,315 --> 00:17:48,565 You'd have to ask him. Alan. 341 00:17:49,235 --> 00:17:50,565 - [ALAN] Yeah. - I'm ready. 342 00:17:50,861 --> 00:17:52,341 [ALAN] All right. Let's move him out. 343 00:17:56,075 --> 00:17:57,445 [DOOR OPENS] 344 00:17:58,494 --> 00:18:01,464 - Only your killer would know that. - [HANDCUFFS CLICK] 345 00:18:33,779 --> 00:18:35,779 - [PHONES RINGING] - [INDISTINCT CHATTER] 346 00:18:35,990 --> 00:18:37,370 [RECEPTIONIST] Good morning. 347 00:18:58,846 --> 00:18:59,846 [BARNEY] Holden. 348 00:18:59,980 --> 00:19:01,390 [HOLDEN] Jim! 349 00:19:01,682 --> 00:19:02,772 This has grown. 350 00:19:02,850 --> 00:19:04,560 Looks like they've narrowed it down to half the city. 351 00:19:04,644 --> 00:19:07,614 They're all over the map on this. Smells like desperation. 352 00:19:07,688 --> 00:19:10,228 We got a real lead last night. You should hear it. 353 00:19:11,734 --> 00:19:13,404 [MAN ON RECORDING] A whole generation of Negro wiped out 354 00:19:13,486 --> 00:19:15,276 with each one of these dead kids. 355 00:19:15,363 --> 00:19:17,993 You'll find the last one in the woods by Sigman Road. 356 00:19:18,282 --> 00:19:20,702 And you can count on another one every month from now on. 357 00:19:20,730 --> 00:19:21,750 [OPERATOR] Sir, can you give me 358 00:19:21,827 --> 00:19:23,747 - the exact location of... - [DIAL TONE BUZZES] 359 00:19:23,829 --> 00:19:25,249 [OPERATOR] Sir? Sir? 360 00:19:31,128 --> 00:19:32,298 I can't say. 361 00:19:33,130 --> 00:19:34,760 They all sound the same to me. 362 00:19:35,758 --> 00:19:36,770 Just meanness. 363 00:19:36,780 --> 00:19:38,509 Sorry to make you listen to that. 364 00:19:38,594 --> 00:19:39,724 Thank you, Beverly. 365 00:19:44,684 --> 00:19:46,394 Y'all still looking for my Earl? 366 00:19:47,186 --> 00:19:49,500 He'd be 11 now. Might be taller. 367 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:50,540 [OFFICER] Yes ma'am. 368 00:19:50,564 --> 00:19:52,364 You can be sure we're lookin'. 369 00:20:00,157 --> 00:20:01,577 Call came in last night. 370 00:20:02,660 --> 00:20:05,660 Staked out a three-mile stretch of Sigman Road overnight... 371 00:20:05,746 --> 00:20:06,746 nothin'. 372 00:20:07,289 --> 00:20:10,249 First light, put in search teams on the ground and in the air. 373 00:20:10,334 --> 00:20:13,054 We have agents questioning known Klan members in the area. 374 00:20:13,129 --> 00:20:15,089 We'll find the body, but, uh, Jim here says 375 00:20:15,172 --> 00:20:17,262 you might be able to help us find the caller. 376 00:20:17,341 --> 00:20:19,391 - You won't find a body. - [REDDING] Oh, I'll find it. 377 00:20:19,468 --> 00:20:22,098 Got 250 searchers working grids, canine units. 378 00:20:22,179 --> 00:20:24,099 There is no body. He's not your man. 379 00:20:25,683 --> 00:20:27,693 - Excuse me? - It might be the same caller 380 00:20:27,768 --> 00:20:30,088 as the Terrell case, but he's not your killer. It's a hoax. 381 00:20:32,189 --> 00:20:34,649 You can tell me that by listening to a tape once? 382 00:20:34,734 --> 00:20:36,944 Same tape we've been listening to since midnight? 383 00:20:37,027 --> 00:20:38,050 Think about it. 384 00:20:38,362 --> 00:20:41,952 The entire purpose of organizations like the Klan is to sow terror. 385 00:20:42,032 --> 00:20:44,582 Why would they wait until number 18 to claim responsibility? 386 00:20:44,660 --> 00:20:47,750 Young man, I've been dealing with the Klan my whole life. 387 00:20:47,830 --> 00:20:50,750 Sometimes their only purpose is to kill whatever black person 388 00:20:50,833 --> 00:20:52,253 they can get their hands on. 389 00:20:52,376 --> 00:20:53,786 I have no good reason to doubt this 390 00:20:53,878 --> 00:20:55,588 just because it's not what you want to hear. 391 00:20:55,671 --> 00:20:57,751 [HOLDEN] But then why call the police, not the press? 392 00:20:58,257 --> 00:21:01,297 We've learned from Berkowitz, the Zodiac... they want a story. 393 00:21:01,761 --> 00:21:03,301 Lasting mythology. 394 00:21:03,888 --> 00:21:05,678 To find that, they go straight to the press. 395 00:21:05,765 --> 00:21:08,385 It makes the police look like they're the last to know. 396 00:21:10,269 --> 00:21:12,229 That sounds like a grand theory, Agent Ford. 397 00:21:12,313 --> 00:21:13,983 Like you put a lot of thought into it 398 00:21:14,064 --> 00:21:15,864 in the two minutes we've been standing here. 399 00:21:15,941 --> 00:21:19,031 But I'm operating on the actual fact that five days ago... 400 00:21:20,070 --> 00:21:21,990 Lubie Geter, number 18, 401 00:21:22,072 --> 00:21:25,622 was dropped off at a mall parking lot to sell car deodorizers. 402 00:21:25,701 --> 00:21:27,121 He never came home. 403 00:21:27,495 --> 00:21:29,365 His mama calls me twice a day. 404 00:21:31,499 --> 00:21:33,959 Besides him, I got four other boys still missing... 405 00:21:34,460 --> 00:21:37,440 numbers six, eight, twelve, and fourteen, 406 00:21:37,490 --> 00:21:39,260 in case you don't wanna remember names. 407 00:21:39,340 --> 00:21:41,720 And this call is the only lead we got. 408 00:21:42,218 --> 00:21:43,218 Are you coming? 409 00:21:50,810 --> 00:21:52,810 [FOOT TAPPING RHYTHMICALLY] 410 00:21:58,692 --> 00:21:59,692 Brian... 411 00:22:00,444 --> 00:22:03,034 can you tell me why you took the boys to the house? 412 00:22:10,412 --> 00:22:12,412 Was it because the baby was crying? 413 00:22:13,707 --> 00:22:16,287 Did you think you could make him feel better in the house? 414 00:22:20,130 --> 00:22:21,130 It's okay, Bri. 415 00:22:21,215 --> 00:22:22,735 - You can talk to the doc... - [HUSHES] 416 00:22:29,974 --> 00:22:32,314 Do you remember the boys holding the baby? 417 00:22:37,898 --> 00:22:40,028 Did you think they were trying to help him? 418 00:22:41,902 --> 00:22:43,282 To make him stop crying? 419 00:22:50,452 --> 00:22:51,582 [SIGHS] 420 00:22:54,790 --> 00:22:57,590 [MORITZ] It's best for them to know no one will answer for them. 421 00:22:57,770 --> 00:22:58,837 I understand. 422 00:22:58,919 --> 00:23:01,759 Is it necessary to make him remember everything? 423 00:23:02,256 --> 00:23:04,426 [MORITZ] Well, it may be uncomfortable for us, 424 00:23:04,508 --> 00:23:06,758 but it allows him to relate to his feelings 425 00:23:06,844 --> 00:23:08,354 in an accepting environment. 426 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,390 His teacher says Brian isn't participating in class 427 00:23:14,476 --> 00:23:16,396 and has no interaction with his peers. 428 00:23:16,470 --> 00:23:18,100 [NANCY] You spoke with Brian's teacher? 429 00:23:18,140 --> 00:23:20,108 Miss Leland did a class visit. 430 00:23:20,357 --> 00:23:22,437 - What she observed... - [NANCY] Excuse me. 431 00:23:22,818 --> 00:23:24,528 She was in his class? 432 00:23:25,112 --> 00:23:28,202 Caseworkers have no obligation to inform you of school visits. 433 00:23:36,582 --> 00:23:38,882 Have you noticed changes in his behavior? 434 00:23:41,211 --> 00:23:43,341 Brian has started wetting his bed again... 435 00:23:43,650 --> 00:23:44,757 on occasion. 436 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:46,050 Almost every other night. 437 00:23:46,133 --> 00:23:49,053 Even one event tells us a lot about a patient's progress. 438 00:23:49,136 --> 00:23:50,256 [NANCY] Like what? 439 00:23:50,930 --> 00:23:52,010 What does it tell us? 440 00:23:52,473 --> 00:23:54,933 - Well, secondary enuresis is most... - Secondary what? 441 00:23:55,267 --> 00:23:56,807 [MORITZ] Uh, enuresis. Uh... 442 00:23:57,019 --> 00:23:59,479 Bed-wetting subsequent to successful toilet training. 443 00:24:00,022 --> 00:24:02,522 The most common cause is psychological trauma. 444 00:24:03,067 --> 00:24:05,107 He's sleeping with his baby toys, 445 00:24:06,362 --> 00:24:07,822 things he hasn't touched in years. 446 00:24:08,230 --> 00:24:10,220 Emotional regression can also be a marker 447 00:24:10,250 --> 00:24:12,028 for processing extreme distress. 448 00:24:13,077 --> 00:24:15,747 - Is there anything else? - [TENCH] He's been sucking his thumb. 449 00:24:21,502 --> 00:24:24,592 I'm prescribing a low dose of desmopressin for the bed-wetting. 450 00:24:24,672 --> 00:24:25,842 You want him to take a pill? 451 00:24:25,923 --> 00:24:27,593 It's important he doesn't develop behaviors 452 00:24:27,675 --> 00:24:29,965 that place him in a regressed emotional state. 453 00:24:33,138 --> 00:24:34,258 And you need to set limits. 454 00:24:34,550 --> 00:24:35,603 If he wets the bed, 455 00:24:35,683 --> 00:24:37,393 make him responsible for washing the sheets. 456 00:24:37,476 --> 00:24:39,136 Isn't he gonna think we're punishing him? 457 00:24:39,228 --> 00:24:41,558 Well, you're helping him to deal with what he experienced 458 00:24:41,647 --> 00:24:42,767 instead of displacing it. 459 00:24:42,856 --> 00:24:44,476 [NANCY] Brian never mentions it. 460 00:24:45,025 --> 00:24:47,355 The other day we drove by the house where it happened. 461 00:24:47,444 --> 00:24:50,454 He watched it go by, and he blurted out, "I want pancakes." 462 00:24:51,490 --> 00:24:54,280 Is trauma really what's causing him to wet the bed? 463 00:24:54,368 --> 00:24:55,900 Isn't it possible that making him 464 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:57,868 come to a doctor's office once a week, 465 00:24:58,414 --> 00:25:01,294 having some woman show up at his school and stare at him, 466 00:25:01,375 --> 00:25:02,785 - giving him pills... - Nance. 467 00:25:02,876 --> 00:25:06,086 ... isn't it possible that those things are making him regress? 468 00:25:06,171 --> 00:25:08,721 He's reminded every day that he's not normal. 469 00:25:09,925 --> 00:25:13,595 If he was at home, doing the things he used to do... 470 00:25:13,679 --> 00:25:16,269 Kids get over stuff. They forget. 471 00:25:16,348 --> 00:25:17,468 Mrs. Tench, 472 00:25:18,809 --> 00:25:21,899 children do not simply forget trauma. 473 00:25:22,896 --> 00:25:24,516 No one simply forgets. 474 00:25:45,586 --> 00:25:47,336 [PORTER] Let me get that for you, sir. 475 00:25:48,922 --> 00:25:51,012 - Hey, thanks. - [PORTER] A pleasure, sir. 476 00:25:52,801 --> 00:25:55,431 - [INDISTINCT CHATTER] - [PIANO MUSIC PLAYING] 477 00:26:00,851 --> 00:26:03,191 - I'm with the bureau retreat. - Yes, sir. 478 00:26:03,979 --> 00:26:06,939 Bill. You're just getting here? 479 00:26:07,608 --> 00:26:08,630 Cutting it close. 480 00:26:08,942 --> 00:26:11,652 I wanted to clear off my desk before leaving town, sir. 481 00:26:11,737 --> 00:26:14,237 The judge's plane took off late, so you get a little reprieve. 482 00:26:14,323 --> 00:26:15,373 The judge? 483 00:26:15,449 --> 00:26:17,699 [GUNN] Director Webster was a judge before his appointment. 484 00:26:17,951 --> 00:26:19,500 He prefers his judicial title, 485 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:21,830 which, in rules of protocol, takes precedence. 486 00:26:22,748 --> 00:26:24,918 He is a man who appreciates pecking order. 487 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:26,000 Good to know. 488 00:26:26,627 --> 00:26:29,127 The judge's advance. Gentlemen, how long? 489 00:26:29,213 --> 00:26:30,513 [AGENT] Pulling in now, sir. 490 00:26:30,589 --> 00:26:31,969 - [RECEPTIONIST] There you are. - Thank you. 491 00:26:32,049 --> 00:26:33,219 It's good to be king. 492 00:26:33,717 --> 00:26:34,757 Yes, it is. 493 00:26:35,803 --> 00:26:38,603 The schedule has you in for an hour, but keep it to 40 minutes. 494 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:40,600 And... maybe lose the jacket and tie. 495 00:26:41,183 --> 00:26:43,023 These retreat symposia are 90 percent retreat, 496 00:26:43,102 --> 00:26:44,352 ten percent symposia. 497 00:26:45,229 --> 00:26:46,609 I'll buy you a little time. 498 00:26:47,064 --> 00:26:49,694 - Judge. - Ted, great to see you. 499 00:26:50,484 --> 00:26:53,204 - You already got a round in. - [GUNN] And Wyman owes us all a drink. 500 00:26:53,821 --> 00:26:56,571 - We'll cut you in. - Mm, okay, then. Gentlemen. 501 00:27:04,790 --> 00:27:05,790 [NANCY] Brian. 502 00:27:09,878 --> 00:27:11,588 Brian, your sandwich is ready. 503 00:27:29,189 --> 00:27:30,189 Brian? 504 00:27:40,075 --> 00:27:41,075 Brian? 505 00:27:49,334 --> 00:27:50,344 Brian! 506 00:27:57,384 --> 00:27:58,384 Brian! 507 00:28:04,308 --> 00:28:05,308 Adele! 508 00:28:06,185 --> 00:28:07,475 Have you seen Brian? 509 00:28:15,527 --> 00:28:16,987 [SQUEAKING] 510 00:28:17,112 --> 00:28:18,112 [NANCY] Brian? 511 00:28:20,699 --> 00:28:21,699 Brian! 512 00:28:25,954 --> 00:28:27,624 Did you hear me calling you? 513 00:28:37,549 --> 00:28:38,719 Go on, honey. 514 00:28:39,343 --> 00:28:40,343 Go on. 515 00:28:40,802 --> 00:28:42,392 You can go play with her. 516 00:28:44,056 --> 00:28:45,056 Come on, Paige. 517 00:28:46,099 --> 00:28:47,139 It's time to go. 518 00:28:49,380 --> 00:28:50,640 Come on, honey. 519 00:28:50,660 --> 00:28:53,193 - Grandma's waiting for us. - [PAIGE SPEAKS INDISTINCTLY] 520 00:29:00,364 --> 00:29:03,164 Brian, we don't stare. Remember? 521 00:29:03,242 --> 00:29:04,242 It's impolite. 522 00:29:05,702 --> 00:29:06,832 Look at me. 523 00:29:08,664 --> 00:29:10,294 I need you to come home... 524 00:29:10,874 --> 00:29:11,884 so we can... 525 00:29:16,088 --> 00:29:18,088 [HELICOPTER BLADES WHIRRING] 526 00:29:25,639 --> 00:29:28,429 - [DOGS BARKING IN DISTANCE] - [INDISTINCT RADIO CHATTER] 527 00:29:36,483 --> 00:29:38,243 [INDISTINCT CHATTER] 528 00:29:41,029 --> 00:29:43,949 - Delta Sector, report. - Chief Redding, I feel like we... 529 00:29:44,032 --> 00:29:45,872 [MAN 1 ON RADIO] Delta Sector report negative. 530 00:29:46,702 --> 00:29:48,372 [MAN 2 ON RADIO] ... sector report negative. 531 00:29:48,453 --> 00:29:52,423 Sir, chopper needs to refuel. He suggests suspending for the night. 532 00:29:56,128 --> 00:29:57,958 All sectors, all sectors, suspend. 533 00:29:58,046 --> 00:30:00,666 - Y'all start coming on in. - [MAN 1 ON RADIO] Copy that. 534 00:30:01,174 --> 00:30:02,634 - No body. - Come on, bring it in, guys! 535 00:30:02,718 --> 00:30:04,088 - That what you wanted to hear? - [OFFICER 1] Let's go! 536 00:30:04,177 --> 00:30:06,007 - No, sir. It's not. - [OFFICER 1 WHISTLES] 537 00:30:06,096 --> 00:30:07,756 It's bad if you don't find one. 538 00:30:08,724 --> 00:30:09,934 Worse if you do. 539 00:30:10,017 --> 00:30:11,937 I wanted to say, I feel like we started off wrong. 540 00:30:11,970 --> 00:30:13,198 You could say that. 541 00:30:13,220 --> 00:30:15,189 I only meant we don't wanna waste our... 542 00:30:16,148 --> 00:30:17,938 your resources on every tip. 543 00:30:18,483 --> 00:30:20,443 Over the past year, I've pulled children's bodies 544 00:30:20,527 --> 00:30:23,447 out of creek beds, woods, vacant buildings. 545 00:30:23,530 --> 00:30:25,200 [MAN 1 ON RADIO] Chief, we'll be opening the road here 546 00:30:25,282 --> 00:30:27,372 - as things clear out. - Roger. 547 00:30:27,451 --> 00:30:29,831 We have thousands of acres of untended property. 548 00:30:30,454 --> 00:30:32,714 When we get any lead that narrows it to one road, 549 00:30:32,789 --> 00:30:34,419 I have no choice but to take it. 550 00:30:34,499 --> 00:30:36,789 We've learned things about how these types of killers think. 551 00:30:37,169 --> 00:30:38,209 We can anticipate them, 552 00:30:38,295 --> 00:30:40,705 focus on their next move instead of just reacting. 553 00:30:40,964 --> 00:30:43,304 We have a meeting Monday morning with all the jurisdictions. 554 00:30:43,383 --> 00:30:45,933 You have a way to narrow things down, happy to hear it. 555 00:30:46,011 --> 00:30:47,891 Now I have to go brief the mayor. 556 00:30:47,971 --> 00:30:49,811 - [PEOPLE CLAMORING] - Shit. 557 00:30:50,098 --> 00:30:51,268 [OFFICER 2] Stay back! 558 00:30:51,350 --> 00:30:53,800 [REPORTER 1] Chief Redding! Chief Redding! Chief Redding, 559 00:30:53,820 --> 00:30:55,270 has there been another body found? 560 00:30:55,354 --> 00:30:56,533 Did the FBI initiate this search? 561 00:30:56,550 --> 00:30:57,814 [REPORTER 2] We heard about a phone call. 562 00:30:57,898 --> 00:30:59,318 Did you find a body? 563 00:30:59,399 --> 00:31:01,399 [REDDING] I have no statement at this time. 564 00:31:02,486 --> 00:31:03,776 [REPORTER 2] Was there a body found? 565 00:31:03,862 --> 00:31:05,322 [REPORTER 1] Did the FBI call for this search? 566 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:06,680 Will the FBI work with APD, 567 00:31:06,710 --> 00:31:08,445 or are you running your own investigation? 568 00:31:08,533 --> 00:31:11,543 - [REPORTERS CLAMORING] - [REPORTER 1] Any leads? Any suspects? 569 00:31:11,620 --> 00:31:12,870 Any more leads? 570 00:31:12,954 --> 00:31:16,084 - [HELICOPTER BLADES WHIRRING OVERHEAD] - [ENGINE TURNS OVER] 571 00:31:16,166 --> 00:31:18,916 [WEBSTER] It's a local case, Ted. It's gotten national attention. 572 00:31:19,002 --> 00:31:22,342 The bureau responding to this is like a tail wagging the dog. 573 00:31:22,422 --> 00:31:24,382 - [GROUP CHUCKLES] - [WEBSTER] Agent Tench, 574 00:31:25,050 --> 00:31:28,430 you're going down there. What can your unit bring to this case? 575 00:31:29,137 --> 00:31:31,467 [TENCH] Well, sir, we'll be looking for connections. 576 00:31:32,307 --> 00:31:33,977 We think some of these cases may be linked. 577 00:31:34,059 --> 00:31:36,059 Sir, the work these guys are doing is groundbreaking. 578 00:31:36,144 --> 00:31:37,564 They've interviewed Manson. 579 00:31:37,854 --> 00:31:39,864 Manson's crazier than a shithouse rat. 580 00:31:39,940 --> 00:31:41,530 [GROUP CHUCKLES] 581 00:31:41,608 --> 00:31:43,818 Can we really learn from someone like him, Agent? 582 00:31:43,902 --> 00:31:46,072 We've also interviewed more cogent subjects. 583 00:31:46,154 --> 00:31:47,204 Such as? 584 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:48,370 [TENCH] Ed Kemper. 585 00:31:48,448 --> 00:31:49,658 The Co-ed Killer. 586 00:31:49,741 --> 00:31:52,201 - Beheaded ten college girls. - [TENCH] Well, six actually. 587 00:31:52,285 --> 00:31:53,495 But he did kill ten people. 588 00:31:53,578 --> 00:31:54,698 What was he like? 589 00:31:55,205 --> 00:31:56,245 To talk to? 590 00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,330 Well, he's 6'9". 591 00:31:59,380 --> 00:32:00,390 [WEBSTER] Oh! 592 00:32:00,419 --> 00:32:01,919 [TENCH] So he could be a little intimidating 593 00:32:02,003 --> 00:32:03,883 to sit across from with no guard, 594 00:32:03,964 --> 00:32:05,344 no sidearm, no cuffs. 595 00:32:05,841 --> 00:32:08,091 But you have to develop a level of trust. 596 00:32:08,176 --> 00:32:10,256 One day, we brought a pizza in and had lunch with him. 597 00:32:10,345 --> 00:32:12,425 We're dividing slices while he's telling us 598 00:32:12,514 --> 00:32:14,724 - how hard it is to sever a head. - [GROUP CHUCKLES] 599 00:32:16,226 --> 00:32:19,186 And this guy has hands like catcher's mitts, 600 00:32:19,521 --> 00:32:21,441 and he's sitting three feet away. 601 00:32:21,898 --> 00:32:22,898 How did he do it? 602 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:24,280 How did he kill 'em? 603 00:32:24,776 --> 00:32:26,146 [TENCH] He picked up hitchhikers, 604 00:32:26,236 --> 00:32:27,896 drove them to a wooded area, 605 00:32:28,530 --> 00:32:30,120 and then stabbed and strangled them. 606 00:32:30,532 --> 00:32:32,662 Then he raped 'em and cut off their heads. 607 00:32:33,076 --> 00:32:34,486 And then he raped the heads. 608 00:32:34,578 --> 00:32:36,248 [GROUP MURMURS] 609 00:32:36,580 --> 00:32:38,000 [WEBSTER] Why decapitation? 610 00:32:38,081 --> 00:32:39,671 [TENCH] He collected them... 611 00:32:40,625 --> 00:32:41,625 as trophies. 612 00:32:42,419 --> 00:32:44,549 Kemper was the first to make us see 613 00:32:44,629 --> 00:32:48,339 these killers develop a sickening personal signature. 614 00:32:48,425 --> 00:32:52,385 And we're learning these offenders start having fantasies very young. 615 00:32:52,804 --> 00:32:55,724 They practice: dolls, animals. That escalates. 616 00:32:55,807 --> 00:32:57,826 [WEBSTER] I dealt with my share of criminals from the bench. 617 00:32:58,226 --> 00:33:00,806 Most of them were bad from the start, even as kids: 618 00:33:01,396 --> 00:33:02,606 runaways, loners. 619 00:33:02,689 --> 00:33:03,689 They never fit in. 620 00:33:04,107 --> 00:33:06,527 I always said when I had a juvenile I knew was bad, 621 00:33:06,610 --> 00:33:08,240 I wish I could put him away for life. 622 00:33:09,362 --> 00:33:10,702 You could just see it 623 00:33:10,780 --> 00:33:11,820 in their eyes. 624 00:33:13,909 --> 00:33:14,909 Gentlemen, 625 00:33:15,702 --> 00:33:18,162 they keep a well-stocked humidor behind the bar 626 00:33:18,246 --> 00:33:19,706 that I turned a blind eye to. 627 00:33:20,916 --> 00:33:21,996 Shall we? 628 00:33:22,709 --> 00:33:24,709 [INDISTINCT CHATTER] 629 00:33:34,554 --> 00:33:36,564 [PHONE RINGING] 630 00:33:37,265 --> 00:33:39,265 [PHONE CONTINUES RINGING] 631 00:33:39,893 --> 00:33:41,813 - Hello? - [TENCH OVER PHONE] Hey, it's me. 632 00:33:41,895 --> 00:33:44,515 - [INDISTINCT CHATTER OVER PHONE] - It's late. What time is it? 633 00:33:44,606 --> 00:33:45,726 [TENCH] It's almost 10:00. 634 00:33:45,815 --> 00:33:48,735 I just called to check in on you. How's Brian? 635 00:33:49,236 --> 00:33:50,236 Fine. 636 00:33:51,238 --> 00:33:52,238 Now. 637 00:33:52,822 --> 00:33:54,072 What do you mean, "now"? 638 00:33:55,325 --> 00:33:57,445 He got out. I... I couldn't find him. 639 00:33:57,550 --> 00:33:58,640 Got out? 640 00:33:58,662 --> 00:34:01,792 [SIGHS] I went door to door. 641 00:34:03,124 --> 00:34:04,794 Finally found him in the park. 642 00:34:06,086 --> 00:34:08,586 He was staring at this child. Just... 643 00:34:10,715 --> 00:34:11,795 staring. 644 00:34:11,883 --> 00:34:13,893 [MEN LAUGH] 645 00:34:15,095 --> 00:34:16,295 But he scared me. 646 00:34:17,389 --> 00:34:19,019 What do you want me to do, Nance? 647 00:34:19,099 --> 00:34:20,099 Nothing. 648 00:34:21,393 --> 00:34:22,563 Everything's done. 649 00:34:23,353 --> 00:34:24,943 I just... wanted to tell you. 650 00:34:25,438 --> 00:34:27,478 Honey, I don't know what to say. 651 00:34:27,941 --> 00:34:31,071 How about, "I'm gonna take time off to help"? 652 00:34:31,152 --> 00:34:32,452 [MEN CHUCKLING] 653 00:34:32,529 --> 00:34:34,449 You know I can't do that right now. 654 00:34:34,656 --> 00:34:35,656 I know. 655 00:34:36,157 --> 00:34:37,197 You have to work. 656 00:34:37,742 --> 00:34:38,792 I just... 657 00:34:39,744 --> 00:34:42,544 honestly don't know if I can do this alone, Bill. 658 00:34:42,622 --> 00:34:43,922 You're not alone. 659 00:34:45,292 --> 00:34:46,422 I have to go to sleep. 660 00:34:48,878 --> 00:34:50,878 - [RECEIVER CLATTERS] - [DIAL TONE BUZZES] 661 00:34:55,802 --> 00:34:57,802 [COUNTRY MUSIC PLAYING ON JUKEBOX] 662 00:34:59,180 --> 00:35:01,730 [GUNN SPEAKS INDISTINCTLY] Hey, sit down. 663 00:35:01,808 --> 00:35:03,558 - Whiskey, please. - [BARTENDER] Sure thing. 664 00:35:03,643 --> 00:35:05,403 I still want to hear about Manson. 665 00:35:06,730 --> 00:35:09,230 - Make it a double. - [GROUP LAUGHS] 666 00:35:10,070 --> 00:35:11,110 [GLASSES CLINK] 667 00:35:11,192 --> 00:35:14,702 "Do you find yourself getting so lost in your own thoughts 668 00:35:14,779 --> 00:35:17,619 that you ignore and forget your surroundings? 669 00:35:18,074 --> 00:35:19,124 All the time. 670 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:20,410 Some of the time. 671 00:35:20,493 --> 00:35:21,543 Occasionally. 672 00:35:21,620 --> 00:35:22,660 Never." 673 00:35:24,164 --> 00:35:25,214 - Wen. - Huh? 674 00:35:25,290 --> 00:35:28,460 Should I answer for you? I think I have a good shot at this one. 675 00:35:30,503 --> 00:35:33,053 - Where'd you get that? - [KAY] Found it on a bus. 676 00:35:33,173 --> 00:35:34,843 - Ew. - [KAY] Come on, it'll be fun. 677 00:35:35,175 --> 00:35:36,635 I'm gonna mark that one as... 678 00:35:37,177 --> 00:35:38,387 "some of the time." 679 00:35:39,638 --> 00:35:42,308 Uh... "Is it difficult to get you excited?" 680 00:35:42,390 --> 00:35:44,350 Oh, you should probably answer that one. 681 00:35:44,434 --> 00:35:45,489 Come on, you have to take this seriously, 682 00:35:45,490 --> 00:35:46,500 or the results won't be accurate. 683 00:35:46,519 --> 00:35:49,309 I find it kind of difficult to take a Myers-Briggs test seriously, 684 00:35:49,397 --> 00:35:52,027 especially one that has a panty liner ad on the back of it. 685 00:35:53,068 --> 00:35:54,238 I should just focus on this. 686 00:35:54,319 --> 00:35:55,859 [KAY] Come on. There's only a couple left. 687 00:35:55,945 --> 00:35:58,655 "Do you find yourself initiating conversations?" 688 00:35:58,740 --> 00:35:59,990 - Yes. - Really? 689 00:36:00,075 --> 00:36:02,325 Yeah. I initiated conversation with you. 690 00:36:02,410 --> 00:36:03,750 Because you wanted to fuck me. 691 00:36:03,828 --> 00:36:05,828 I initiate conversations all day. 692 00:36:05,914 --> 00:36:08,004 Oh, an interview's not a conversation. 693 00:36:08,083 --> 00:36:10,963 [CARR] You know, whose test is this? Yours or mine? 694 00:36:11,044 --> 00:36:12,804 [SIGHS] I'm just trying to get to know you. 695 00:36:12,879 --> 00:36:15,089 It feels a little like you're trying to get to correct me. 696 00:36:15,173 --> 00:36:18,343 Well, would you rather tell me about whatever it is 697 00:36:18,426 --> 00:36:20,096 that you're burying your face in? 698 00:36:22,305 --> 00:36:23,845 I'm sorry, ask me another one. 699 00:36:25,141 --> 00:36:26,141 No. 700 00:36:27,227 --> 00:36:28,227 Come on. 701 00:36:29,437 --> 00:36:30,797 Tell me about what you're reading. 702 00:36:31,356 --> 00:36:33,566 It's the, uh... It's the Bateson interview. 703 00:36:34,025 --> 00:36:35,935 - Okay. - [CARR] Mm. 704 00:36:38,947 --> 00:36:41,907 It's just a fine line of giving them enough attention 705 00:36:41,991 --> 00:36:43,281 so that they'll engage with you, 706 00:36:43,368 --> 00:36:45,538 but also being able to steer the conversation. 707 00:36:46,287 --> 00:36:48,457 And when it's over in just a few minutes, it... 708 00:36:48,540 --> 00:36:49,620 Wasn't worth the effort? 709 00:36:49,708 --> 00:36:51,628 He was surprisingly forthcoming in the beginning. 710 00:36:51,710 --> 00:36:54,550 He answered every question, even volunteered information. 711 00:36:55,046 --> 00:36:57,666 But when I got to the questions I really wanted to ask, 712 00:36:57,757 --> 00:36:59,047 he just walked out. 713 00:36:59,134 --> 00:37:00,514 So he rope-a-doped you? 714 00:37:00,969 --> 00:37:03,299 - I don't know what that means. - [KAY] Rumble in the Jungle? 715 00:37:03,388 --> 00:37:05,808 You know, when Ali let George Foreman punch himself out. 716 00:37:05,890 --> 00:37:08,390 Yeah. Sure, he, uh, "rope-a-doped" me. 717 00:37:08,470 --> 00:37:10,580 Oh, I'm sure he had plenty of practice 718 00:37:10,630 --> 00:37:12,726 leading people down the garden path. 719 00:37:13,189 --> 00:37:14,819 [CARR] No, I should have seen it coming. 720 00:37:14,899 --> 00:37:16,569 I mean, I've been studying manipulators 721 00:37:16,651 --> 00:37:18,321 - my whole career. - Oh. 722 00:37:19,571 --> 00:37:20,571 On paper. 723 00:37:25,201 --> 00:37:26,541 [SIGHS] 724 00:37:28,580 --> 00:37:31,170 No, I'm... I'm just saying that you... you don't have to be an expert 725 00:37:31,249 --> 00:37:33,079 at everything the first time. 726 00:37:34,544 --> 00:37:35,544 Huh. 727 00:37:36,296 --> 00:37:37,836 It's just a bit disappointing. 728 00:37:42,802 --> 00:37:45,642 [REPORTER ON TV] Another sad chapter in the epidemic of child murders 729 00:37:45,722 --> 00:37:47,642 unfolded today in Rockdale County 730 00:37:47,724 --> 00:37:51,354 where the FBI conducted an unsuccessful search along Sigman Road. 731 00:37:51,436 --> 00:37:53,936 Channel 2 has been unable to confirm reports 732 00:37:54,022 --> 00:37:57,192 that a man called in a tip about where a body could be found. 733 00:37:57,275 --> 00:37:59,605 The FBI and police had no comment. 734 00:38:00,487 --> 00:38:03,737 Meanwhile, the search for 14-year-old Lubie Geter continues. 735 00:38:04,324 --> 00:38:05,704 That's it for us tonight. 736 00:38:05,784 --> 00:38:07,044 It's 10:30. 737 00:38:07,118 --> 00:38:08,998 Do you know where your children are? 738 00:38:09,078 --> 00:38:11,618 [NEWS FANFARE PLAYING] 739 00:38:13,583 --> 00:38:16,753 I always want you present in the local room 740 00:38:16,836 --> 00:38:19,796 where my reporters and Mr. Wallace Cook 741 00:38:19,881 --> 00:38:23,221 can drink you in constantly 742 00:38:23,301 --> 00:38:25,391 as a warning against fakes! 743 00:38:25,887 --> 00:38:28,467 - [PIANO MUSIC PLAYING] - [INDISTINCT CHATTER] 744 00:38:39,275 --> 00:38:41,275 - [ELEVATOR BELL DINGS] - [TANYA] Agent Ford. 745 00:38:41,402 --> 00:38:43,402 [ELEVATOR DOOR OPENS] 746 00:38:43,738 --> 00:38:44,738 [HOLDEN] Tanya. 747 00:38:45,573 --> 00:38:47,413 - [ELEVATOR DOOR CLOSES] - [HOLDEN] Hi. 748 00:38:49,285 --> 00:38:51,695 [TANYA] I thought that was you. I saw you'd checked in, 749 00:38:51,788 --> 00:38:53,208 for a while it looks like. 750 00:38:53,373 --> 00:38:54,423 Until it's over. 751 00:38:55,917 --> 00:38:57,337 I was expecting you sooner. 752 00:38:57,418 --> 00:39:00,048 I came the moment they opened an official FBI investigation. 753 00:39:00,922 --> 00:39:02,132 [TAKES A DEEP BREATH] 754 00:39:02,215 --> 00:39:03,295 And... 755 00:39:04,384 --> 00:39:06,784 you should know we've moved beyond looking into the families. 756 00:39:08,054 --> 00:39:11,604 I came down specifically to refocus the APD's efforts. 757 00:39:12,016 --> 00:39:14,306 I saw on the news someone called about a body. 758 00:39:14,936 --> 00:39:15,936 He a suspect? 759 00:39:16,729 --> 00:39:18,359 I can't say officially, but... 760 00:39:18,439 --> 00:39:21,649 A man calls to tell you he did it, you may want to consider him. 761 00:39:24,362 --> 00:39:26,662 I'm not at liberty to discuss details, but... 762 00:39:28,700 --> 00:39:31,410 my unit is here to focus on 763 00:39:31,494 --> 00:39:33,370 what we consider most probable. 764 00:39:33,403 --> 00:39:35,374 [TANYA] Most probable for each child? 765 00:39:35,748 --> 00:39:37,288 They all got different things going on. 766 00:39:37,370 --> 00:39:38,940 Some of them hustling jobs here and there. 767 00:39:38,980 --> 00:39:40,705 Carrying groceries, running errands. 768 00:39:40,795 --> 00:39:42,915 A few of them might've gotten themselves into situations 769 00:39:43,006 --> 00:39:45,256 - they didn't know were dangerous. - What does that mean? 770 00:39:45,341 --> 00:39:48,641 You looking at where these kids work? Parking lots, drive-throughs? 771 00:39:48,720 --> 00:39:49,970 I'm sure we will. 772 00:39:51,222 --> 00:39:54,812 Our most recent was seen selling car deodorizers outside a mall. 773 00:39:55,351 --> 00:39:56,391 Lubie Geter. 774 00:39:56,477 --> 00:39:57,557 Right. 775 00:39:57,645 --> 00:39:59,605 Not all of 'em have car deodorizers to sell. 776 00:39:59,689 --> 00:40:01,069 They do whatever they can. 777 00:40:01,149 --> 00:40:02,359 What do you mean? Drugs? 778 00:40:02,442 --> 00:40:04,362 There's drugs, panhandling. 779 00:40:04,444 --> 00:40:07,414 Some kids learn to steal little things and sell them. 780 00:40:08,615 --> 00:40:11,025 Folks have been saying that a few of these boys 781 00:40:11,117 --> 00:40:12,737 could be selling themselves. 782 00:40:12,827 --> 00:40:14,867 These kids are 11, 12. 783 00:40:14,954 --> 00:40:17,214 Every kid is told to watch out for strangers. 784 00:40:18,666 --> 00:40:21,836 Most have no idea how dangerous some strangers can be. 785 00:40:23,296 --> 00:40:24,956 - All I'm sayin' is... - [PHONE RINGING] 786 00:40:25,048 --> 00:40:27,218 ... you all should be looking at those people too. 787 00:40:29,302 --> 00:40:30,602 [RECEIVER RATTLES] 788 00:40:31,054 --> 00:40:33,774 This is the Omni. Tanya speaking. How may I help you? 789 00:40:36,935 --> 00:40:38,225 Absolutely. One moment. 790 00:40:38,770 --> 00:40:40,770 [LOCK RATTLING] 791 00:41:14,889 --> 00:41:16,219 [GRUNTS] 792 00:41:29,529 --> 00:41:30,819 [GROANS SOFTLY] 793 00:41:34,659 --> 00:41:36,199 [SIGHS] 794 00:41:50,299 --> 00:41:51,549 [SIGHS] 795 00:42:01,019 --> 00:42:02,559 [COINS CLATTER] 796 00:42:15,825 --> 00:42:17,115 [DOOR OPENS] 797 00:42:18,161 --> 00:42:19,791 - Morning. - [BARNEY] Good morning. 798 00:42:23,958 --> 00:42:26,338 What do you know about child prostitution in Atlanta? 799 00:42:26,419 --> 00:42:27,839 [BARNEY] I know it goes on. 800 00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:29,210 The same as any big city. 801 00:42:30,673 --> 00:42:32,473 It's not something I've dealt with, 802 00:42:33,176 --> 00:42:34,586 but I can ask Atlanta PD. 803 00:42:35,650 --> 00:42:36,717 Why? 804 00:42:36,804 --> 00:42:39,894 I need files on known pedophiles in the greater Atlanta area. 805 00:42:39,974 --> 00:42:42,314 - [DOOR SQUEAKS] - Sure. We can look into that. 806 00:42:45,813 --> 00:42:47,613 It looks like greater Atlanta just walked in. 807 00:42:48,399 --> 00:42:50,399 Gonna be interesting to see how they take to us. 808 00:42:50,485 --> 00:42:52,485 There's no reason for them not to want our help. 809 00:42:54,030 --> 00:42:55,030 Bill! 810 00:42:56,574 --> 00:42:57,574 Hey! 811 00:42:58,409 --> 00:42:59,409 Good to see ya. 812 00:42:59,470 --> 00:43:00,500 Welcome, Bill. 813 00:43:00,536 --> 00:43:01,536 This is us. 814 00:43:02,371 --> 00:43:04,121 Sorry to miss first day of school. 815 00:43:04,749 --> 00:43:06,129 What are we starting with? 816 00:43:06,626 --> 00:43:09,296 We're about to walk into a meeting with the county chiefs. 817 00:43:09,378 --> 00:43:12,168 Chief Redding wants our advice on how to focus the investigation. 818 00:43:12,590 --> 00:43:13,590 Sounds good. 819 00:43:17,303 --> 00:43:19,723 [HOLDEN] For instance, David Berkowitz, Son of Sam, 820 00:43:19,806 --> 00:43:20,886 told us he was compelled 821 00:43:20,973 --> 00:43:24,023 to go back to a specific site where he had killed before. 822 00:43:24,102 --> 00:43:25,902 To physically relive the experience. 823 00:43:26,521 --> 00:43:28,061 You interviewed Son of Sam? 824 00:43:28,147 --> 00:43:29,170 [TENCH] We did. 825 00:43:29,357 --> 00:43:32,487 So the theory is, instead of trying to cover all of Atlanta, 826 00:43:32,568 --> 00:43:35,358 we concentrate on where we believe the killer may return. 827 00:43:35,446 --> 00:43:38,946 We'll deploy teams to canvass previous abduction and dump sites, 828 00:43:39,033 --> 00:43:41,833 narrowing our scope to these higher probability areas. 829 00:43:41,911 --> 00:43:43,871 Go back over all the ground we've already covered? 830 00:43:43,955 --> 00:43:46,115 [TENCH] Neighbors may have seen someone returning to a scene. 831 00:43:46,207 --> 00:43:47,707 Maybe something was moved or left. 832 00:43:47,792 --> 00:43:49,342 Y'all are assuming it's one suspect. 833 00:43:49,418 --> 00:43:51,798 We got 18 cases spread all over kingdom come. 834 00:43:51,879 --> 00:43:55,129 So many murders in the same age and socioeconomic range 835 00:43:55,216 --> 00:43:57,586 is highly improbable without at least some being linked. 836 00:43:57,677 --> 00:43:59,387 That how we're gonna proceed, Chief? 837 00:43:59,470 --> 00:44:01,390 Seems like we're ignoring a lot of possibilities. 838 00:44:01,472 --> 00:44:03,522 Nobody's saying rule anybody out. 839 00:44:04,767 --> 00:44:06,347 But let's focus our manpower. 840 00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:08,040 Chief, this kind of focus means 841 00:44:08,060 --> 00:44:10,359 recanvassing 18 abduction and dump sites, 842 00:44:10,439 --> 00:44:12,649 plus reinterviewing dozens of witnesses. 843 00:44:12,733 --> 00:44:14,113 Gonna really stretch your manpower. 844 00:44:14,193 --> 00:44:16,653 We can use academy recruits to fill out the teams. 845 00:44:17,029 --> 00:44:19,239 Only way we'll be able to even half-ass it. 846 00:44:20,449 --> 00:44:21,699 Based on this, 847 00:44:22,869 --> 00:44:25,909 I'm redeploying today's search to a previous dump site... 848 00:44:26,497 --> 00:44:27,497 Redwine Road, 849 00:44:27,582 --> 00:44:29,422 where we found Milton Harvey's remains. 850 00:44:30,126 --> 00:44:33,586 Assemble your teams. See if this amounts to anything. 851 00:44:34,130 --> 00:44:36,670 - [TENCH] Thank you, Chief. - [HOLDEN] Thank you. 852 00:44:36,757 --> 00:44:38,927 - Thank you. - [REDDING] Thank you, gentlemen. 853 00:44:43,764 --> 00:44:46,984 Remember Earl Terrell? I'd like to work his case. 854 00:44:47,059 --> 00:44:49,689 He's still missing, but I think we could do more than we did for him. 855 00:44:49,770 --> 00:44:52,150 [TENCH] Of course. Mind if I round out your team? 856 00:44:52,231 --> 00:44:53,861 Think I'll join the Chief at the dump site. 857 00:44:53,941 --> 00:44:54,960 [TENCH] Okay. 858 00:44:55,234 --> 00:44:56,824 [BARNEY] So he was last seen 859 00:44:56,903 --> 00:44:58,863 - at the pool across the park. - [THUNDER RUMBLES] 860 00:44:59,155 --> 00:45:01,445 It was a long time ago, but do you remember him? 861 00:45:01,532 --> 00:45:02,550 I seen him. 862 00:45:02,867 --> 00:45:04,447 Him and a couple others. 863 00:45:05,369 --> 00:45:07,249 [BARNEY] You recall seeing him last summer? 864 00:45:07,663 --> 00:45:09,463 Yeah. Lots of times. 865 00:45:09,540 --> 00:45:11,710 Are you out here on your porch two days a week? 866 00:45:11,792 --> 00:45:13,342 - Three? - Well, if it's hot, 867 00:45:13,419 --> 00:45:14,629 I'm out here every day. 868 00:45:15,087 --> 00:45:17,217 So in the summer, I see everybody. 869 00:45:19,550 --> 00:45:23,300 Sometimes... them kids head down... 870 00:45:24,263 --> 00:45:25,433 that house there. 871 00:45:25,806 --> 00:45:27,766 - [TENCH] The brick house? - [WOMAN] Mm-hmm. 872 00:45:27,850 --> 00:45:30,940 And sometimes they go to Elsie's. There. 873 00:45:31,354 --> 00:45:33,154 - [TENCH] That yellow house? - [WOMAN] Mm-hmm. 874 00:45:33,981 --> 00:45:36,191 Ma'am, are those glasses prescription? 875 00:45:36,484 --> 00:45:37,944 These are my readers. 876 00:45:38,027 --> 00:45:39,147 For my stories. 877 00:45:39,654 --> 00:45:42,664 Anything else you told the officers before could be helpful. 878 00:45:43,074 --> 00:45:44,954 Weren't no officers come here. 879 00:45:45,034 --> 00:45:46,914 Ain't nobody ask us nothin'. 880 00:45:48,204 --> 00:45:49,914 Thank you, ma'am. You've been very helpful. 881 00:45:49,997 --> 00:45:51,517 - [WOMAN] Mm-hmm. - [BARNEY] Thank you. 882 00:45:53,084 --> 00:45:54,794 There's no car at the brick house. 883 00:45:55,253 --> 00:45:56,303 Elsie's first. 884 00:45:56,379 --> 00:45:58,089 That's the third person we've talked to 885 00:45:58,172 --> 00:46:00,132 within one block of where this kid disappeared, 886 00:46:00,216 --> 00:46:01,756 and not one of them was interviewed. 887 00:46:01,842 --> 00:46:04,512 Starting to think there's a lot that's dropped through the cracks. 888 00:46:05,012 --> 00:46:06,182 [BANGS ON HOOD] 889 00:46:06,264 --> 00:46:08,894 We called and told them Earl came by the day he went missing, 890 00:46:08,975 --> 00:46:10,515 but nobody came askin'. 891 00:46:10,893 --> 00:46:14,483 He was looking for Albert, but Albert wasn't home, so Earl, he left. 892 00:46:15,564 --> 00:46:18,324 - Albert, get in here. - [INDISTINCT CHATTER ON TV] 893 00:46:23,114 --> 00:46:24,244 Tell 'em about Earl. 894 00:46:27,201 --> 00:46:30,121 Him and Lubie come over to play sometimes. 895 00:46:30,300 --> 00:46:31,368 I wasn't here. 896 00:46:31,455 --> 00:46:32,455 Lubie Geter? 897 00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:34,880 - He and Earl knew each other? - [ALBERT] Yeah. 898 00:46:35,793 --> 00:46:38,923 Earl act sometimes like Lubie's big brother, 899 00:46:39,005 --> 00:46:40,165 take him around and stuff. 900 00:46:40,256 --> 00:46:41,416 Where would Earl take him? 901 00:46:41,757 --> 00:46:43,467 [ALBERT] You know, just around. 902 00:46:43,843 --> 00:46:45,923 Do you know where else Earl might have gone that day? 903 00:46:47,722 --> 00:46:48,892 It's all right, baby. 904 00:46:48,973 --> 00:46:50,893 They with the FBI. You can tell them. 905 00:46:52,143 --> 00:46:53,143 See? 906 00:46:54,603 --> 00:46:55,603 You wanna hold it? 907 00:46:57,189 --> 00:46:59,229 Anybody else Earl might have gone to play with? 908 00:46:59,859 --> 00:47:01,439 They used to hang with Pat-Man. 909 00:47:01,777 --> 00:47:03,397 Does Pat-Man have a last name? 910 00:47:03,487 --> 00:47:04,737 [ELSIE] Won't do no good. 911 00:47:04,822 --> 00:47:07,492 He was... uh, one of them. 912 00:47:07,992 --> 00:47:08,992 One of them? 913 00:47:09,076 --> 00:47:11,786 He was right before Lubie. His real name was Patrick Rogers. 914 00:47:11,871 --> 00:47:13,501 I didn't like him comin' around here. 915 00:47:13,581 --> 00:47:15,001 He too old for these boys. 916 00:47:15,916 --> 00:47:17,626 Anything else you can tell the men? 917 00:47:17,710 --> 00:47:19,500 [OFFICER] Excuse me, the ME's heading out 918 00:47:19,587 --> 00:47:21,207 to Redwine Road. They found something. 919 00:47:22,882 --> 00:47:24,132 Thank you so much, ma'am. 920 00:47:29,263 --> 00:47:31,563 [BARNEY] Let's get the address for the brick house. 921 00:47:33,476 --> 00:47:36,016 - [HELICOPTER BLADES WHIRRING] - [SIRENS BLARING] 922 00:47:37,063 --> 00:47:39,193 [HOLDEN] Guys, these remains are less than 100 yards 923 00:47:39,273 --> 00:47:41,693 from where Milton Harvey was dumped 13 months ago. 924 00:47:41,776 --> 00:47:44,446 He's returning to the scene. What's the press doing here? 925 00:47:44,528 --> 00:47:47,068 Get down there and set up a perimeter! This is now a crime scene. 926 00:47:47,156 --> 00:47:48,696 [DOGS BARKING IN DISTANCE] 927 00:47:49,575 --> 00:47:50,985 Forensics show up yet? 928 00:47:51,077 --> 00:47:52,997 We don't have a body retrieval unit. 929 00:47:53,329 --> 00:47:55,209 Recruits will collect any evidence. 930 00:47:55,581 --> 00:47:56,671 It's not Lubie Geter. 931 00:47:56,749 --> 00:47:57,789 Been out here too long. 932 00:47:57,875 --> 00:47:59,875 But it could be one of the other three still missing. 933 00:47:59,960 --> 00:48:01,750 Earl Terrell was wearing shorts when he disappeared. 934 00:48:01,837 --> 00:48:02,837 What do you got? 935 00:48:03,714 --> 00:48:05,384 I found these close to the road. 936 00:48:05,466 --> 00:48:08,216 A tennis shoe, one cigarette butt, and a couple of porno mags. 937 00:48:08,302 --> 00:48:09,852 - Porno? - [OFFICER 1] Yes, sir. 938 00:48:09,929 --> 00:48:11,099 Gallery and Penthouse. 939 00:48:11,764 --> 00:48:14,774 There's tire tracks, a heavy vehicle, near where we found 'em. 940 00:48:14,850 --> 00:48:17,270 - [OFFICER 2] Body! Body! - [OFFICER 3] Body! 941 00:48:17,395 --> 00:48:19,195 - [OFFICER 4] Come on! Body! - [WHISTLE BLOWS] 942 00:48:20,981 --> 00:48:23,071 Get this stuff into evidence bags and get some gloves. 943 00:48:23,100 --> 00:48:24,120 Yes, sir. 944 00:48:24,151 --> 00:48:26,491 We need to get a real forensics unit down here. 945 00:48:26,654 --> 00:48:27,994 Three bodies at one site. 946 00:48:28,364 --> 00:48:31,534 It's one guy. And this is his graveyard. 947 00:48:31,617 --> 00:48:33,617 [INDISTINCT CHATTER] 948 00:48:34,078 --> 00:48:35,788 [FLIES BUZZING] 949 00:48:39,291 --> 00:48:41,421 [REDDING] Well, lucky he had a prior. 950 00:48:42,169 --> 00:48:44,459 Never would have traced the prints off those magazines. 951 00:48:45,756 --> 00:48:46,756 A plumber. 952 00:48:47,341 --> 00:48:49,681 Runs his own business out of his rented home. 953 00:48:50,803 --> 00:48:52,053 Short rap sheet. 954 00:48:52,596 --> 00:48:54,516 - One incident of petty theft. - [HOLDEN] What kind? 955 00:48:54,598 --> 00:48:55,678 Clothing? Personal items? 956 00:48:55,766 --> 00:48:56,766 [REDDING] Tires. 957 00:48:57,351 --> 00:48:59,901 Seemed like he needed a set of 4 when he was 19. 958 00:49:01,313 --> 00:49:03,523 No, uh, prior assault. 959 00:49:05,151 --> 00:49:06,821 No history of racial violence. 960 00:49:07,570 --> 00:49:08,780 Sound like our man? 961 00:49:09,822 --> 00:49:11,702 Wait a minute, this guy's Caucasian. 962 00:49:11,782 --> 00:49:14,872 Doesn't change anything if we can tie him directly to a scene. 963 00:49:15,035 --> 00:49:16,495 We should at least follow up on that. 964 00:49:16,579 --> 00:49:19,289 [HOLDEN] Those magazines are adult women, not black children. 965 00:49:19,790 --> 00:49:22,380 Even if the labs are positive for semen, it supports nothing. 966 00:49:22,793 --> 00:49:25,923 Holden, we have three bodies within 100 yards of each other. 967 00:49:26,005 --> 00:49:28,755 [HOLDEN] There's no doubt the unsub's dumping them there. 968 00:49:28,841 --> 00:49:30,891 I'm just saying, before we drag in... 969 00:49:31,385 --> 00:49:34,715 Pickett Yarborough, he's not who we're looking for. 970 00:49:36,849 --> 00:49:38,099 [TENCH] Did we run his car? 971 00:49:38,601 --> 00:49:40,731 White 1975 pickup truck. 972 00:49:40,811 --> 00:49:42,061 No police-type vehicle. 973 00:49:42,146 --> 00:49:43,726 No, but utilitarian. 974 00:49:43,814 --> 00:49:45,904 You could keep a hunting kit without drawing suspicion. 975 00:49:45,983 --> 00:49:47,033 We could surveil him. 976 00:49:47,109 --> 00:49:49,199 [TENCH] If he smells us at all, he'll destroy evidence. 977 00:49:49,278 --> 00:49:50,528 We need to get warrants. 978 00:49:50,988 --> 00:49:52,908 Search his house, his truck. 979 00:49:54,366 --> 00:49:55,826 I think we should bring him in. 980 00:49:56,035 --> 00:49:57,615 Even if it's just to rule him out. 981 00:49:57,703 --> 00:49:59,623 Jim, you're familiar with DA Slaton, are you not? 982 00:50:01,207 --> 00:50:02,787 Slaton's third generation law. 983 00:50:02,875 --> 00:50:04,125 He ain't by the book, 984 00:50:04,919 --> 00:50:05,999 he is the book. 985 00:50:06,754 --> 00:50:09,134 - [THUNDER RUMBLES] - [BRAKES SCREECH] 986 00:50:18,432 --> 00:50:21,102 - [INDISTINCT CHATTER] - [PIANO MUSIC PLAYING] 987 00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:33,530 Excuse me, gentlemen, we're closed for an event. 988 00:50:33,614 --> 00:50:35,784 We need to speak with District Attorney Slaton. 989 00:50:35,866 --> 00:50:37,276 If you could point him out to us. 990 00:50:37,368 --> 00:50:39,998 Uh, I'm sorry, we're a private institution. 991 00:50:40,079 --> 00:50:42,369 I'm happy to let Mr. Slaton know you're here, mister... 992 00:50:42,456 --> 00:50:44,456 Special Agents Tench, Ford, and Barney. 993 00:50:44,542 --> 00:50:47,462 Excuse me a moment? Mr. and Mrs. Peteet, right this way. 994 00:50:50,010 --> 00:50:51,094 Well... 995 00:50:51,549 --> 00:50:52,629 enjoy your evening. 996 00:50:53,259 --> 00:50:56,889 Mr. Slaton is making an address at the moment. Excuse me. 997 00:50:56,971 --> 00:50:58,931 Mr. and Mrs. Hamilton, right this way. 998 00:51:00,182 --> 00:51:01,272 I apologize. 999 00:51:02,059 --> 00:51:03,979 If you gentlemen could just wait in... 1000 00:51:05,271 --> 00:51:08,401 wait in here, I'll ask if he can see you afterwards. 1001 00:51:11,443 --> 00:51:12,443 Thank you. 1002 00:51:13,696 --> 00:51:14,946 Mr. and Mrs. Trambley. 1003 00:51:16,740 --> 00:51:18,990 We're only going to get Slaton's ear for a minute. 1004 00:51:19,076 --> 00:51:21,786 - [CROWD APPLAUDS] - I'll call and see if the labs are back. 1005 00:51:21,870 --> 00:51:24,160 [SLATON] It's been my pleasure to serve as chair 1006 00:51:24,180 --> 00:51:25,790 of the fund drive this season. 1007 00:51:26,083 --> 00:51:29,423 I told the board, I can't string two notes together, 1008 00:51:29,503 --> 00:51:31,383 but I know good music when I hear it. 1009 00:51:31,463 --> 00:51:33,763 Our symphony stands up against any in the country. 1010 00:51:34,174 --> 00:51:37,434 New York, Philadelphia, you name it. 1011 00:51:37,511 --> 00:51:39,101 Music lover. Who'd have thought? 1012 00:51:39,179 --> 00:51:42,309 But no cultural organization can flourish... 1013 00:51:43,017 --> 00:51:45,347 without benevolent donors like yourselves. 1014 00:51:45,686 --> 00:51:49,516 You are the very lifeblood of the arts in Atlanta. 1015 00:51:50,941 --> 00:51:53,901 - Yes, my wife wrote that last part for me. - [CROWD CHUCKLES] 1016 00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:55,650 But it's absolutely true. 1017 00:51:56,572 --> 00:51:59,912 These musicians are a credit to their community, 1018 00:52:00,576 --> 00:52:03,326 to our city, and to the great state of Georgia. 1019 00:52:03,829 --> 00:52:07,629 So please, give generously... and enjoy your evening. 1020 00:52:07,708 --> 00:52:08,708 Thank you. 1021 00:52:12,129 --> 00:52:15,669 [TENCH] Labs are back. No blood, but definite seminal fluid. 1022 00:52:15,758 --> 00:52:18,758 - [STRING QUARTET PLAYING] - Gonna be a hard sell. 1023 00:52:27,311 --> 00:52:29,481 I'd hoped since you gentlemen thought it necessary 1024 00:52:29,563 --> 00:52:31,363 to pull me out of my wife's event, 1025 00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:33,240 which took three months to plan, 1026 00:52:33,290 --> 00:52:34,857 you'd have a more compelling argument. 1027 00:52:34,943 --> 00:52:37,153 Sir, if I can explain our methodology. 1028 00:52:37,237 --> 00:52:39,527 [SLATON] I'm an evidence man, Agent Tench. 1029 00:52:39,615 --> 00:52:42,325 You have no eyewitness account, no relevant priors, 1030 00:52:42,409 --> 00:52:45,749 no evidence directly tying this man to any of the bodies. 1031 00:52:46,205 --> 00:52:50,205 Sir, these types of crimes are sexually motivated. 1032 00:52:50,292 --> 00:52:53,172 The men who perpetrate them are compelled to repeat the crime... 1033 00:52:53,629 --> 00:52:55,839 or to relive the sexual satisfaction 1034 00:52:55,923 --> 00:52:59,223 by going to crime scenes and feeling that relief again. 1035 00:52:59,301 --> 00:53:01,261 Finding three bodies over time 1036 00:53:01,345 --> 00:53:03,675 and a clear-cut scene of self-gratification 1037 00:53:03,764 --> 00:53:05,274 at the same remote site... 1038 00:53:05,349 --> 00:53:07,179 [BARNEY] We're concerned that if we merely surveil, 1039 00:53:07,267 --> 00:53:10,267 the suspect will destroy the evidence you'll need to prosecute. 1040 00:53:10,354 --> 00:53:12,114 As intriguing as that sounds, 1041 00:53:12,773 --> 00:53:16,153 I've never issued warrants based on radical psychological theories. 1042 00:53:16,235 --> 00:53:18,775 My constituents trust that I will protect their rights 1043 00:53:18,862 --> 00:53:20,572 against unlawful search and seizure. 1044 00:53:20,656 --> 00:53:22,826 Lubie Geter has been missing for six days. 1045 00:53:23,450 --> 00:53:25,700 We've got no leads and the clock is ticking. 1046 00:53:29,248 --> 00:53:30,248 I'll grant your warrants. 1047 00:53:31,542 --> 00:53:33,922 But I want no press. 1048 00:53:34,670 --> 00:53:35,670 None. 1049 00:53:36,213 --> 00:53:39,133 This must remain absolutely silent. 1050 00:53:39,466 --> 00:53:40,466 Understood. 1051 00:53:41,051 --> 00:53:42,181 [HELICOPTER BLADES WHIRRING] 1052 00:53:43,095 --> 00:53:44,175 - [YARBOROUGH] It's okay. - [WOMAN] No. 1053 00:53:44,263 --> 00:53:46,273 - [YARBOROUGH] Baby, don't worry about me. - [WOMAN] What's happening? 1054 00:53:46,348 --> 00:53:47,808 - [YARBOROUGH] It'll be all right. - [WOMAN] Don't touch me. 1055 00:53:47,891 --> 00:53:49,181 [YARBOROUGH] It'll be fine, baby. 1056 00:53:49,268 --> 00:53:51,688 - This is a mistake. - [WOMAN] Don't you touch me! 1057 00:53:51,770 --> 00:53:54,230 Honey! Honey, please just tell me, what's happening? 1058 00:53:54,314 --> 00:53:55,944 [SHOUTING INDISTINCTLY] 1059 00:53:56,024 --> 00:53:57,614 Don't you touch me. 1060 00:53:57,693 --> 00:53:59,193 [INDISTINCT RADIO CHATTER] 1061 00:53:59,278 --> 00:54:01,158 - [YARBOROUGH] It's okay, baby. - [WOMAN] Hon... Honey? 1062 00:54:01,488 --> 00:54:02,698 Honey, please come back. 1063 00:54:04,575 --> 00:54:07,055 He can't know we've got his truck until we get him in the room. 1064 00:54:09,329 --> 00:54:10,329 Hey! 1065 00:54:12,082 --> 00:54:15,342 - Send him around the block. - [OFFICER] Go ahead. Circle around. 1066 00:54:21,258 --> 00:54:23,258 [HELICOPTER BLADES WHIRRING OVERHEAD] 1067 00:54:27,389 --> 00:54:28,429 I don't know, guys. 1068 00:54:37,500 --> 00:54:38,620 Who's going first? 1069 00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:39,904 Nobody for a while. 1070 00:54:39,985 --> 00:54:42,145 We ought to at least start working through the timeline. 1071 00:54:42,237 --> 00:54:44,447 He might have a string of alibis for all we know. 1072 00:54:44,531 --> 00:54:47,281 We found it's best to let them wait, especially at night. 1073 00:54:47,367 --> 00:54:49,447 If this is the guy, it's the best way to break him. 1074 00:54:52,831 --> 00:54:54,121 Where are we with him? 1075 00:54:56,418 --> 00:54:57,418 Commissioner. 1076 00:55:01,340 --> 00:55:03,340 [BROWN] How confident are we he's our perpetrator? 1077 00:55:03,425 --> 00:55:04,965 We won't know until we get in there. 1078 00:55:05,052 --> 00:55:07,222 Well, let's start working on him. The longer we keep him, 1079 00:55:07,304 --> 00:55:09,224 the more likely someone will get wind of this. 1080 00:55:09,306 --> 00:55:10,806 Slaton said he was very clear with you. 1081 00:55:10,891 --> 00:55:12,521 This is about setting the right conditions, 1082 00:55:12,601 --> 00:55:14,021 creating leverage with the subject. 1083 00:55:14,102 --> 00:55:15,852 We may only get him once in this state of mind. 1084 00:55:15,938 --> 00:55:18,478 If we get nothing from him and this hits the papers, 1085 00:55:18,565 --> 00:55:20,855 this will be our second public setback in a week. 1086 00:55:20,943 --> 00:55:22,743 [HOLDEN] We should put as much effort into law enforcement 1087 00:55:22,820 --> 00:55:24,660 - as we do managing perceptions. - Holden. 1088 00:55:24,738 --> 00:55:26,528 [REDDING] Right now, we better put together a statement 1089 00:55:26,615 --> 00:55:28,735 because looks like they got hold of it. 1090 00:55:28,826 --> 00:55:29,826 Shit. 1091 00:55:32,496 --> 00:55:34,456 I'll let them know it's an ongoing investigation. 1092 00:55:34,540 --> 00:55:36,120 We're in the process of ID'ing bodies. 1093 00:55:36,208 --> 00:55:37,578 [CHUCKLES] I don't think so. 1094 00:55:50,639 --> 00:55:52,849 How does the press find out everywhere we go? 1095 00:55:53,976 --> 00:55:55,096 I don't know, 1096 00:55:55,185 --> 00:55:57,645 but I hope we find something in that fucking truck. 1097 00:55:57,729 --> 00:55:58,809 [REPORTERS CLAMORING] 1098 00:55:58,897 --> 00:56:01,067 [BROWN] I cannot comment on the individual at this time, 1099 00:56:01,149 --> 00:56:05,449 other than to say that we have issued a custodial warrant. 1100 00:56:05,529 --> 00:56:07,069 No charges have been issued. 1101 00:56:07,155 --> 00:56:08,815 - [SHUTTERS CLICKING] - [INDISTINCT CHATTER] 1102 00:56:08,907 --> 00:56:11,657 [BROWN] Ladies and gentlemen, we will keep you apprised. 1103 00:56:12,369 --> 00:56:14,409 ["LUNATIC FRINGE" PLAYING] 1104 00:56:23,213 --> 00:56:24,973 ♪ Lunatic fringe ♪ 1105 00:56:27,259 --> 00:56:29,679 ♪ I know you're out there ♪ 1106 00:56:32,681 --> 00:56:34,811 ♪ You're in hiding ♪ 1107 00:56:36,810 --> 00:56:39,730 ♪ And you hold your meetings ♪ 1108 00:56:42,232 --> 00:56:44,112 ♪ I can hear you coming ♪ 1109 00:56:46,945 --> 00:56:49,315 ♪ I know what you're after ♪ 1110 00:56:51,867 --> 00:56:54,287 ♪ We're wise to you this time ♪ 1111 00:56:54,369 --> 00:56:56,579 ♪ We're wise to you this time ♪ 1112 00:56:56,663 --> 00:56:58,753 ♪ We won't let you kill the laughter ♪ 1113 00:56:58,832 --> 00:57:03,092 ♪ Oh! Oh! ♪ 1114 00:57:03,587 --> 00:57:05,417 ♪ Oh! ♪ 1115 00:57:07,424 --> 00:57:10,474 - ♪ We can hear you coming ♪ - ♪ We can hear you coming ♪ 1116 00:57:10,552 --> 00:57:13,852 ♪ No, you're not gonna win this time ♪ 1117 00:57:14,181 --> 00:57:15,521 ♪ Not gonna win ♪ 1118 00:57:16,558 --> 00:57:18,848 ♪ We can hear the footsteps ♪ 1119 00:57:19,019 --> 00:57:21,269 - ♪ We can hear the footsteps ♪ - ♪ Hey! ♪ 1120 00:57:21,605 --> 00:57:23,815 ♪ Out along the walkway ♪ 1121 00:57:24,024 --> 00:57:26,194 ♪ Out along the walkway ♪ 1122 00:57:27,152 --> 00:57:28,822 ♪ Lunatic fringe ♪ 1123 00:57:31,323 --> 00:57:33,623 ♪ We all know you're out there ♪ 1124 00:57:35,869 --> 00:57:38,829 ♪ Can you feel the resistance ♪ 1125 00:57:40,958 --> 00:57:47,458 ♪ Can you feel the thunder? ♪ 1126 00:57:47,547 --> 00:57:50,757 [SIREN BLARING] 1127 00:57:51,802 --> 00:57:53,392 ♪ Oh, no! ♪ 1128 00:58:00,602 --> 00:58:02,602 ♪ Hey! ♪