>> Tonight on
After the Runway...
>> It's almost unfair how that
was treated.
>> We don't know if you would
have gotten to that particular
place if other people hadn't
helped you.
>> If I was any of you, I would
be pissed.
>> Does it make you feel better
to come here and bully me by
asking me those types of
questions?
I mean, you are, like, twice my
age.
And, like, the fact that you
undermine my emotions towards my
mother pisses me off at you, Laura
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>> Welcome to the very first
After the Runway show. Project Drama Original Air Date on October 6, 2011
I'm your host,
Zanna Roberts Rassi.
This is where we'll be dishing
with the designers about all
that happened on tonight's
Project Runway, both on and off
screen.
Hi, everyone.
>> Hi.
>> How are we doing?
>> Good. How are you?
>> Excellent.
>> What an episode.
Oh, my God.
Cockroaches.
>> Yeah.
>> Crazy birds.
[Laughter]
Seriously.
obviously the stakes were high.
$20,000.
>> Right.
>> And the advertorial in
Marie Claire. That's pretty steep.
>> How do we feel about it?
>> For me, was major.
I mean it's $20,000.
You could start your own line.
You could do your own thing.
So it was kind of disappointing,
I guess, for me.
>> Can you tell me about this
finger situation?
>> The sewing machine went
straight through my finger, and
I was...
It was over for me.
Ow, you son of--aah.
I sawed through my finger.
And so I was upset, and I was
just trying to have a moment,
and I couldn't get my own
moment.
>> You did impress the judges.
Very much so.
>> Thank you.
>> Some of you less so.
Bert.
>> Oh, you looking at me?
[Laughter]
What happened?
>> That bird did not speak to me
at all.
>> Right.
>> When I walked out there and I
saw our judge, I just--my heart
sank.
>> Francisco Costa.
>> Yes, yeah.
When I saw him, I thought, "he's
not gonna get it."
And, again, we worked so fast.
I mean, it was one look, then
it's a second look, you know,
and all these other things are
going on.
>> All the other things going
on.
Now, so before we got to this
happy family unit I see here,
things weren't quite so
harmonious.
Let's take a look at some of
your finer moments.
>> Every time I say something,
somebody laughs or something.
So, you know, I don't need that.
>> Bert, you're always the last
one.
>> There's Bert, just waiting to
annoy the crap out of me.
>> I'm glad I've got immunity.
Doo-dah, doo-dah.
>> Bert's always mumbling things
underneath his breath.
>> That means you're on this
team, Bert.
>> That's the bad news.
>> Did you say "that sucks"?
>> No.
>> No? I'm hearing things.
>> See, no one knows what you're
saying when you say it.
>> Yeah.
>> You don't let me talk.
>> No, 'cause you're getting
confused.
>> No, it's not a question.
It's kind of difficult to make
sense with somebody who's
crazy.
>> [Whistles]
Where does it say on this
[bleep] machine that you're
using it?
Drop dead.
>> Watch your language with me,
please.
Drop dead?
>> Yeah, just go away.
Self-centered prick.
[Laughter]
>> Okay. Wow.
You all cut this one up, didn't
you?
>> All right, so I want to hear
from you guys.
Viktor, how did all this come
about?
>> Um, I think, in the
beginning, Bert was very much
focused on dealing with young
people, I feel, but I think Bert
definitely says it how it is and
how he wants it to be, and
there's no sugar coating it, so
he really frustrated me.
>> How did you feel about, you
know, all these arguments, and
being thrown into this pit?
>> I sort of got the feeling
after a couple of days that
these people are thinking, like,
"this guy's old enough to be my
mom or my father's friend.
It's weird."
It's, like, "why doesn't he go
away?"
>> Shouldn't he have gone to bed
earlier or something?
>> Yeah, and it's like, "why is
he still here?"
You know, and I, like what
Viktor said, I don't try to
play two faces.
I say what I feel.
But it--it was, you know, it's
been an eye-opening experience.
>> This is a very short schedule
that we film on.
>> It's true.
And I really think, you know,
instead of fighting with him,
love him, because I think he has
a lot to give and share and
teach people, regarding design
specifically.
>> See, it's like teen therapy,
around here isn't it?
"Project therapy," we'll re-call
it.
Did you ever think that those
boxer shorts would get you to
your first victory?
>> No.
>> You have great taste in
underwear.
What color do you have on now?
>> Gray.
>> But you're still wearing
boxers.
>> No, not boxers.
>> Whoo!
>> T.M.I.
>> Little eyes are lighting up
over here.
>> Joshua, the challenge we just
watched, you created a really
great gown.
It was beautiful.
>> Thank you.
>> Um, but you were really,
really upset about that, and not
particularly gracious with Anya.
Did--was it more about the fact
that you'd lost the $20,000?
>> Kind of.
I mean, that, for me, you know,
I'm--I--I'm struggling in
New York right now.
Like, bills haven't been paid.
And they're--they're--I don't
see where they will get paid at
this point.
It's hard for me to talk about.
I mean, it's, you know, it's
difficult to live there.
>> It is.
Gosh, I know, yeah.
>> You know, like, Kimberly,
like, you touched me in that
last one, where you, you know...
losing people and everything,
and having to be there for
yourself, it's--it's hard.
It's hard to get that support
behind you.
You know?
>> I think this show's gonna
help you get that support behind
you.
>> You know, it wasn't the win
that would have meant something,
or the validation that it was
such a pretty dress.
It was almost like, "give her
the win.
Can I get--can I have the
money?"
You know, at that point.
I'm, like...
We left our lives to come do
something fantastic, you know,
and I left stability for a risk,
and I'm a risk taker, and that's
why I've done the show, and I
think everything that will come
from it will be beautiful.
>> You know, Anya didn't help
you out, and you've helped her
quite a few times in the past
from slipping to the bottom.
How did you feel about the fact
she wouldn't lend you any
fabric?
>> I think she was valid when
she said, you know, "you
shouldn't--it--it shouldn't even
be a question that's being
asked," but what I posed to that
is then we should never be able
to...
>> Help each other out.
I kind of love it when you help
each other out.
It's no nice as a viewer to be
like, "oh, look, they really do
get on."
>> But people are gonna see
that, and, you know...
She wouldn't even have had a
garment for, uh, the Piperlime
challenge if it wasn't for
Anthony lending money, so...
It's, like, you know, I
thought--I thought at that
point, you know, it was like,
pat your friend on the back.
Your friend might be able to
help you in a time of need, and
I was very stressed at the
moment.
I was like, "do you have any
fabric with structure?"
And then it became a "no"
answer, you know?
>> Yeah, at the moment you were
super mad, right?
>> Well, it's a good thing she
didn't, 'cause what you made was
perfect.
It was beautiful.
>> But that what I'm saying.
It turned out, and it--
you know, you trouble shoot.
>> That's what happened with me
on the, um, sugar dog...
Um...
>> Sheepdogs.
>> Sheepdogs, yes.
She gave me the fabric, and then
it was like, "oh, why did I help
her?"
You know, and that was just a
bit hard for me to swallow,
seeing as how everybody had--a
lot of people had given her help
along the way.
>> I think this is a
conversation that you all should
be having with Anya herself.
When we come back, Anya will be
here with us, and you'll get to
listen to her side of the story.
>> Welcome back, everyone, to
the first ever After the Runway
show.
Okay, let's bring Anya out.
Hey, how are you?
Come on in.
Come have a seat.
So, you guys, we're gonna get
straight into this.
Tell me what was going on with
you two tonight.
What was all this fabric
sharing, not fabric sharing?
>> Anya?
Do you have any fabric I can
borrow?
>> I just don't even think it's
the right thing to be asking.
It's one thing to be doing it--
few challenges ago, but not now.
>> Anya, tell me.
>> Some of it was a bit news to
me that it was, like, such an
issue, you know?
>> You know I think you made a
valid point when you were like,
"at this stage you shouldn't be
asking for help or fabric," but,
like, then, you know, there
should be something about no one
ever having help along any of
the journey.
>> He did help you out at the
beginning.
Why did you not want to help him
out in this situation?
>> Well, I think it's a little
bit unfair to say that--I mean,
we helped each other all the way
through.
The thing is is that giving
fabric is a more tangible form
of help, whereas, like, giving
advice, for instance, is a less
tangible form of help.
>> Understand, but, like, with
my education, that's over
$100,000 worth of education I
paid for to give you that
less-tangible help.
So I understand that, but it was
something that I spent money on
to go learn.
>> Do you feel like you should
have won that, Josh?
>> I--I--like I said earlier, I
would have liked to.
>> It's so subjective.
>> It re--you know, and at this
point, it--it's like--
>> Stand up for your work,
though.
>> No, I--but at this point,
it's, like, you know, you go up
there with a great dress, and
then all that's focused on is a
[bleep] damn corsage.
It's like...
>> Which we're still focusing
on.
>> You know?
And that's what I'm saying.
It's, like, you know, it's
just--it's--it's to a point
where you're like...
"Okay, move forward."
>> Yeah.
>> Well, you showed a true
competitive side, I feel.
What really brought that out of
you at this point in the game?
>> I think I did realize
particularly with this challenge
that we were pitted against each
other.
>> Right.
>> And it kept coming up in
conversation over and over
again.
And, to be honest, two--the
challenge right--two challenges
before, and lending fabric to
Kim, and it kind of, like--it
just kind of shocked me into the
reality of where we were.
>> Well, I borrowed this fabric.
>> We have an opposing team
member loaning to you?
>> Yes. She was very nice.
>> What if she wins because I
gave it to her?
Oh, my God.
What have I done?
>> But I guess I felt a little
bit...
I don't know, a little bit
taken aback that you felt like,
"Oh, my goodness, why did I
help her?"
Just like what Josh was saying.
It was like, you know, people
have--had helped you, and, for
me, I was really, like, almost
hurt, because I was like, "wow,
why would she be like, "oh, you
shouldn't have helped me."
You're saying it's not tangible,
the stuff that he--
but Laura helped you tangibly
in, you know, sewing stuff and
things like that, so, for me, it
was a bit--I was a bit taken
back that you felt like you
should not have helped me in
that situation where we don't
know if you would have gotten to
that particular place if other
people hadn't helped you, and I
just thought that that was very,
um...
I thought it was unfortunate
that, you know, you felt that
way, and I didn't know it
personally.
>> Maybe on that note it's time
that we should do a little
segment called Clearing the Air.
Basically, you can pull out
anything you want on the table
that you want cleared up.
Okay, I'm gonna start something
that I want cleared up
personally.
Viktor, you accused Kimberly of
copying off you.
And then, obviously Joshua
couple of weeks before that.
>> Mm-hmm.
>> Did you ever speak to them
directly about this?
>> No, I didn't.
>> Why not?
>> Well...
Hold me back.
[Laughter]
>> No weapon--he's got a pot
next to him, though.
>> I'm not scared, ladies.
Okay?
I--I remember, um, Kimberly told
me about Joshua's pleat that he
was doing, similar to mine.
>> You guys, hold on.
>> It was a very specific
back-pleat, though.
>> A pleat.
>> Like your inverted pleat
here.
>> Why--why?
>> It's become popular.
>> Josh is definitely copying
some of my elements.
He has the pleat in the back of
his shirt similar to mine.
Like, really?
>> That wasn't even the first
case of Viktor feeling
plagiarized.
>> Listen, we are all--we're
just reinventing a wheel that's
already been done before.
No one is really doing something
that's--
>> That is totally...
>> The only influence we had
were each other.
Let's face it.
>> I mean, you're not the first
person to invent the asymmetry.
Your dress was ruched, and with
the feathers going.
Mine was a to--just, like, a...
>> That was in the same
challenge.
If it would have been, like,
three challenges before, three
challenges after, it would have
made sense, but in that same
challenge, we both had the same
silhouette
that's what I was speaking
about.
It wasn't about me...
>> Well, it was similar.
>> It was very similar.
Just in that particular
challenge, we both did it at the
same time, because--
>> well, why did you bring it up
when they were in the room?
>> Why am I even gonna go with
him?
It's gonna go nowhere.
>> ...We're in a competition.
It's time sensitive.
Your choice is do I spend time
in a conversation about stuff,
or do I get my stuff done?
>> Yeah.
>> It's one or the other.
>> Right, which is where I was
with the dress.
It's, like, I have three hours.
I don't ha--I'm using lining,
mind you, which I used down to
the "T," and I didn't have
enough to make two shoulders,
so it was just one.
>> Well, Viktor, anything else
you want to put on the table and
get cleared up?
>> Well...
I mean, this is not directed to
you in a--as a person, but I
think, from the beginning, Anya
was definitely more exposed.
And not only that, but, like,
even the judges.
I felt like they gave you so
much slack because you didn't
sew...
I mean, you sewed for four
months.
They were just amazed about it,
instead of looking at the
design, I feel.
When I--like, if we both would
have made the same pants, to me,
they would have been like,
"they're just pants.
They're pants.
There's nothing into it."
If you would have made them,
they would have been like, "oh,
my gosh.
You made in them in four
months."
Like, I mean, not in four
months.
She made that within four months
of knowing how to sew, so it's
almost unfair how that was
treated throughout up to now.
>> I think it's very fair.
I mean, watching this episode, I
felt like, you know, if I was
any of you, I would be pissed,
you know?
I guess all I can say is that
sometimes it may not be logical,
but my own blood, sweat, and
tears went into this, and it
just doesn't add up in the same
logical way, and I guess that's,
in my own heart, where I feel
comfortable with it, you know?
>> Well I think we've cleared
that up.
Um, when we come back, we have a
very special guest who wants to
get to the bottom of a few
things.
Don't go away.
>> [Laughs]
>> Oh, is it Paris Hilton?
>> [Laughs]
Oh, God, they're funny.
>> Welcome back, everyone.
Tonight we are talking with the
five fabulous designers in our
very first After the Runway
show.
Okay, now we have a very special
guest who has some questions of
her own that she would like
answered.
She's walked in these designers'
shoes, literally, and she's also
one tough cookie.
In fact, I'm more scared of her
than I am of Nina, Michael, and
Heidi put together.
Please welcome Project Runway
season three finalist
Laura Bennett.
>> Whoo!
>> Hello.
How are you?
So who were you expecting?
>> [Laughs]
Welcome.
So, Laura, you've been obviously
watching the show, and you've
been blogging about it as well.
I'm curious to know what you
think of the designers that we
have here.
>> Because there was so much
drama and misbehavior, I do
definitely have some questions
that I'd like to ask about.
So, Bert, I have a question for
you.
I just want you to know that I
was signed up to be your biggest
fan from the get go.
>> Mm-hmm.
>> And I think I married and
divorced you about five times.
[Laughter]
During the season for different
reasons.
But I was always wowed when they
showed a sketch that you did.
I'm just--you know...
>> We don't get to see that as
much, you know?
>> But then I didn't always feel
like what--the garment that you
produced...
>> Mm-hmm.
>> Lived up to the sketch.
>> Mm-hmm.
>> Do you feel like you have
trouble, maybe, translating from
paper to fabric sometimes?
>> Well, I think in real life,
when you're doing something, you
don't produce a garment that's
gonna be worn by anybody with
half--basically a half fitting.
And you need time.
You need more than one fitting.
You need to be able to step back
and--"okay, this is wrong.
Start over."
We don't have that opportunity.
>> Right.
>> You know, it's, like, boom,
Tim comes in the room, and you,
like, just run around and hide,
you know?
>> It's funny she points it out,
because his sketches are
amazing.
It's like on 7th Ave, when you
see Halston sketches.
>> That's right.
On the sidewalk.
>> They're beautiful.
>> Yeah.
I want to talk to Kimberly.
Kimberly, I see you as sort of
the tortoise this evening.
Sort of the slow and steady wins
the race.
You know, you're obviously not
in the bottom, so there's--the
judges have no problem with your
aesthetic and your taste level
and your fabric choices, but yet
you're not winning the damn
challenges.
How do--you know, how did you
take that?
>> Uh, it is very frustrating.
I was feeling like the judges
weren't really feeling me, and
seeing, you know, what I was
trying to say, and, you know...
And so, like, okay, I have to
take a risk one way or another.
Either, you know...
>> I know.
Say something.
Just say something.
>> Let me just get in front of
you and say something, good,
bad, or indifferent.
You know, so that's--that's
where I am at this point now, so
i was, like, "okay, I need to
take risks.
Risks, risks, risks."
>> Good for you.
Joshua.
My--my dear Joshua.
So you were by far the worst-
behaved designer of the season.
You sort of developed this
pattern of smack-talking other
people's talent, trying to pull
yourself back and apologizing
them--to them.
>> I didn't do that really.
I'm asking you if this is how
it's gonna be for the next two
days, because I will not have
it, Bert.
Becky, if you're tired, take a
nap, 'cause I don't have time
for it.
I'll do it myself.
I am a mess right now.
Are you speaking about Becky in
specific?
>> I'm speaking about a lot of
designers.
I mean...
>> See, but then I need names at
that point...
>> Every episode became about
you arguing with people, you
crying in the confessionals, you
apologizing and then slamming
the person, you know, ten
minutes later.
So my question to you is are you
embarrassed at all?
>> I thank you for coming here
today, but I'm not gonna answer
your question.
Thank you, Laura.
>> Well, I could say something,
because, you know, I know Josh
on a personal level.
Like, we--we have to go through
a lot as being gay, him being
young, and I know he struggled a
lot in his life because of that.
>> Right.
>> So he's not gonna put up with
anybody, and I--I'm not saying
that everything he does is
absolutely right.
>> But I didn't see that
behavior in your or in Bert.
>> Some of your tactics are
bullying.
It's almost like--I mean, I
think I'm the one that stood up
to you, whereas Becky was, like,
you know, an easy target for
you, and I think that's probably
what she's talking about.
>> It's a valid question, but
does it make you feel better to
come here and bully me by asking
me those types of questions?
I mean, you are, like, twice my
age.
>> Well, you know, like I said,
I'm not just asking this
question on my behalf.
It's many viewers that saw
things exactly the way I see
them.
>> Well, and the other--
i actually only read your blog,
and it did hurt my feelings, so
then I read nothing.
So now I can't even know what
other people are saying, so I
can defend myself.
Because of the challenge after I
cried, I read your blog and I
went out Sunday night, and I was
so depressed the whole time.
Because you have hurtful things
to say.
You're an amazing Internet
assassin, and I love it, but you
know what?
It's hurtful.
And, like, the fact that you
undermine my emotions towards my
mother pisses me off at you,
Laura.
>> No, I'm just asking you if
you understand how we see it as
viewers.
>> I can see how you see it.
But for you to come here and,
like, confront me with that
isn't nice either.
>> Yeah, but the way you treated
designers all season wasn't
nice.
Why is okay for you to attack
people, and yet--
>> Well, then you be the
attacker right now, Laura, and
you come for me.
>> You know what? I'm not...
>> Sit there in your Chanel suit
and, like, come for me, then, if
that's how it's gonna be.
>> I'm speaking not just how I
feel.
I can assure you that there are
viewers...
>> I am sure that people feel
that way as well.
>> ...He's so misbehaved.
>> That's the way it was, Laura.
They're tuning in, right?
They're tuning in to see it.
>> ...You're the only one that
has school debts.
You're the only one that has
a...
>> And I'm the only one with
that education, that four-year
education, Laura.
And Bert as well.
>> So you're the only one that
has negative money in your
account, therefore you should
win for a draped dress, right
after you smack Anya for not
doing tailoring and only doing
draped dresses?
I mean, come on.
I'm just...
>> Laura, you have favorites,
and you're being biased right
now.
And you're actually not even
here to be mature towards me.
You came here to be polite to
all of them and do this so this
would happen.
>> Well, you know--
>> So I go home to New York and
applaud yourself.
And I hope that we don't run
into each other in New York,
because it will not be a
pleasant meeting.
>> Josh, I don't think she came
here to be--I don't think she
came here to be hurtful in any
way.
I just think she came here to
ask the questions that other
people are probably asking.
And it's all out on the table.
We've had the discussion, and I
think we should all kiss and
make up.
Hug, maybe, and make up.
[Laughter]
Thank you so much for all
joining us on our very first
After the Runway.
Laura, a special thanks to you.
>> And I really--I wish you all
the best.
>> Thank you.
>> You're almost there.
>> And Anya, Joshua, Viktor,
Kimberly, Bert, thank you so
much for coming.
Tune in next week for
Project Runway.
Cheerio.
>> Whoo!
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>> Next time on
Project Runway...
We're down to our final
challenge.
>> Oh, [bleep], this is it.
>> Welcome to governor's island.
>> Ah!
>> You will be creating three
looks.
You will be choosing
an assistant.
>> Aah!
>> Oh, my God!
>> Look at you people.
>> What's the statue of liberty
doing here?
>> I just had $20,000 swept away
from me by a beauty queen.
It just kills me.
>> You seem very nervous today.
>> I've been knowing I wanted to
be a designer since I was eight.
>> To choke now is just a shame.
>> I'm not upset by anything
that you guys are saying.
>> Are you giving your goodbyes?
>> Is that an assumption?
>> [Gasps]
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