Celebrities... most are loved and adored by their loyal fans.
But every star has at least one... Hater.
Tonight, we have Joe Francis, creator of "girls gone wild."
I'm, like, seething right now.
Girls, jump in here any time.
(Speaks indistinctly)
Some random woman at the front desk is harassing me.
And reality tv beauty Kim Kardashian.
Keep it real with me real quick, please. Please.
But I am.
They'll get their chance to set the record straight.
So when did you make the deal with the devil?
Come on.
Am I really that bad a guy?
I don't get why you keep on rolling your eyes.
I'm not black.
It's all coming up tonight... Are you kidding me?
On "H8R."
Captioned by closed captioning services, inc.
Hey, I'm Mario Lopez, and this is "H8R."
Joe Francis is the man behind "girls gone wild,"
but not everyone's wild about Joe.
Joe, right here!
Joe Francis has been drawing the ire of female detractors since he founded
his "girls gone wild" empire at the age of 24.
The t & a tycoon swears he's been the victim of the gossip media.
Today, he's about to go head-to-head with a straight-up hater.
Sync by Alex28 www.addic7ed.com.
All right, I'm with Joe Francis, and we are cruising
down the sunset strip right now, about to meet one of his biggest haters.
What are some of the things that haters say about you?
What have you heard?
The ones that I've heard?
Everything. (Laughs)
(Laughs)
People have said, look, I exploit women, uh, that I'm this, you know,
crazy party guy who's a borderline, uh, (Bleep),
(laughs) Which is not the case.
It's just not the case.
You know, I'm a nice guy.
I have a family, like... like you do, and I'm just
in a... in a really extraordinary and sensational line of work, I would say,
with "girls gone wild."
So how do you usually handle haters?
Well, I roll with a bodyguard, as you know.
Yeah, well, you're not gonna have one today.
Uh-oh.
♪
All right, Joe, we're pulling up to the grafton hotel.
Let's take a look at your hater.
This is Peggy.
She's a single mom.
She thought she was auditioning for a different reality show,
and we asked her about you.
I'm nervous.
I hate Joe Francis.
I have nothing but disdain for that man.
He's making money on young girls when they're drunk or high or being stupid
or experimenting.
I'm like, dude, don't you know you're going straight to hell on a fast train?
No, doesn't bother him at all.
If I saw Joe Francis out somewhere having dinner, I swear to God,
I would take whatever it is I had in my hand and I would dump it on his head...
Uh-oh.
Try to humiliate him in public.
He's destroyed people's lives.
I mean, and to think that... my daughter is 11.
I've already done warned her.
Like, "okay, if you meet somebody named Joe Francis, run immediately."
I hate that man.
Hate him, hate him, hate him.
Wow.
Whoa.
Wow. She has, uh, some very misconceived, uh, ideas about me
that are based on headlines.
I think it's gonna be really hard right now to walk in
and see her face-to-face, especially with the threat that Peggy's gonna do
what she said she's gonna do and dump something over my head.
♪
All right, Joe, your hater is waiting in the lobby of the hotel.
She thinks she's being treated to a spa day by her friend, who is in on it...
Welcome to the grafton.
And we have an actor playing the hotel desk clerk.
Okay.
Okay, you're gonna in there and you're gonna give 'em the Joe Francis
that they think they know, and really go over-the-top.
Make a scene, have fun with it.
So I can have some fun with this?
You have a lot of fun.
All right.
I'm gonna go over-the-top.
Go over-the-top.
Don't... don't hate me for it.
No, no, no, no. I won't, man.
I won't. You ready?
Yeah. Let's do it.
All right, let's do it.
We are getting you set up in room 313. We're just waiting for housekeeping,
so it'll be a few moments.
13 is my lucky number.
It's gonna be fun!
It is. I'm so excited.
I'm so excited.
We're gonna get... (Speaks indistinctly)
I'm so excited!
Yay!
Hi. Hi.
Hi, Mr. Francis.
Joe Francis.
Oh, my God.
Room, uh, 312.
Yay.
Listen, I ordered a bunch of champagne, and I went up to my room,
and nothing there at all.
It's, like, ridiculous.
Oh, no.
Now he's going to throw a fit.
I apologize.
Um, I can check with management.
No, but it's been, like... it's been an hour.
I mean, seriously, make this right.
(Credit card thuds)
Joe Francis, room 312!
(Speaks indistinctly)
Whoa. Hang on a minute.
Hey, pig guy.
Oh, I hate that guy.
That's Joe Francis.
What?
That's the "girls gone wild" pig.
Oh, my... That's the "girls gone wild" pig.
Like, that's the pig... Oh, my God!
That makes... oh, my God.
Come here. "That's the 'girls gone wild' pig."
Do you know what he's done to these poor girls?
Me?
You know when you're watching late-night tv, and it's like...
(Deep voice) "Girls gone wild"!
(Normal voice) And you see the... I'm like, "aah!" I'm horrified
at that whole thing.
These are young girls that are impressionable.
Imagine if that follows you around... Mm-hmm.
Everywhere you were for the rest of your life.
I really don't hate anybody.
But him?
I have nothing but disdain for him.
Aw!
Why are you even breathing my air and taking up my space?
Oh, my God.
Pig, pig, pig boy.
I... you know what I call him?
I call him a reputation rapist.
Jesus.
I'm, like, seething right now.
Ooh, I just wanna go tell that guy how much I dislike him.
Oh! My God.
I can't believe he's here.
He's staying here at the hotel.
Oh, good. Might go have... (Speaks indistinctly)
Is he gonna be at school today?
(Laughs) I don't know.
What do you do if I pour a drink on a guest's head?
Like, "oh, I'm sorry."
I want you to make it big.
This girl is tough.
Okay? She is tough, but we're gonna take it to another level.
Yes, I'd love to tell him off. That would be... (Singsongy) A dream come true.
(Normal voice) Oh, and it's my birthday.
(Laughs)
Oh, here he is.
I've totally got them.
This is so your universe.
Hey, where was that girl?
Should I tell him he's a pig?
Where's the front desk?
Excuse me.
Hi, I'm gonna need, like, 20 more bottles of champagne.
I need, like, 20 bottles of champagne and I need a... hey. Hi. Joe Francis, hi.
Excuse me. Excuse me. I'm... hold on. Wait.
Can I tell you something?
I realize you're throwing a fit, but you know what?
I gotta tell you, I think you are a reputation rapist.
You're a complete pig.
(Scoffs) I'm not gonna... You've made this... just go do your thing.
I'm just... you've made your money by exploiting poor girls that are making
really, really stupid decisions.
Did you get those 20 bottles of champagne for me?
I mean, come on. I need a bigger room. Is the manager... you need a bigger room?
Yeah. I'm in 312.
You probably already have the biggest room.
Oh, my God.
You're what? Oh, no.
You're in 312? Really?
I'll check with management.
I'll check.
Oh, that's gonna be an interesting night.
Well, get ready, buddy, 'cause every time you leave your room,
I'm gonna be there being your conscience, 'cause obviously you don't have one,
or a heart or a soul.
So when did you make the deal with the devil, just out of curiosity?
Peggy's head is about to explode.
Oh, my God.
Pig, pig, pig boy.
She's tough.
She's not letting up.
I don't understand how you get up in the morning and live with yourself
with what you do with your life.
♪
Coming up... Come on, am I really that bad a guy?
I'm not a 16 year old on a beach, naked, signing my rights away to you.
Hi, baby. How you doin'?
Hi.
You are every mom's worst nightmare.
And later... Kim Kardashian... I hate her ass.
Her ass is not real.
This is real.
Oh! Come on.
I (Bleep) Hate Kim k.
One of the biggest names in reality tv confronts her hater.
Hi. Is deena here?
You... I don't understand how you get up in the morning and live with yourself
with what you do with your life.
So when did you make the deal with the devil, just out of curiosity?
What's your name?
I'm Peggy.
Peggy. Joe Francis.
Nice to meet you.
Now listen, do you like to party?
It's not nice to meet me 'cause I'm not a 16 year old
on a beach, naked, signing my rights away to you for something...
do you know her?
I do.
This is my friend Peggy.
Oh.
Yeah, I'm her friend.
Okay.
I got... I got a little bit... (Speaks indistinctly)
I'm having a party later, if you wanna come with us.
What do you think?
But wait.
She's not 16 and nude... I'm up in 312.
And she's not gonna sign her rights away, either.
How is my room doing?
Hi, baby. How you doin'?
Hi.
(Kisses)
How you doin'?
Good to see you guys.
Good to see you.
This is awesome.
How old are you girls?
I'm waiting for a... like I'm gonna tell anybody.
I'm 22.
How old are you?
It's actually my birthday today.
Happy Birthday.
Quantify it for me. Quantify.
How old are you?
My dream come true, to be able to tell Joe Francis off... yes.
(Speaks indistinctly)
Really?
That's a birthday present?
Yeah. It's... well... come on.
Girls, jump in here any time.
That does not count at all.
Some random woman at the front desk is harassing me. Come on!
Get... wait a minute.
This is charity work, isn't it?
I'm sorry.
Caitlin?
Yeah, I'm telling you... For the good of man.
He's fun. (Laughs)
I'm sure he is.
I'm a good time. I give back.
Hey, girls, go... go to the room.
Go to the room.
Okay.
I'm gonna make a call.
I'm gonna find the manager.
Excuse me. Excuse me.
I sent champagne up there.
Have fun. Check in.
See you later.
God, this is ridiculous.
(Laughs)
Wow!
(Laughs)
I have such feelings of disdain for him, I can't help but tell him
what a pig he is.
And he... you know what?
He doesn't get it.
He doesn't think there's anything wrong with the situation.
Yeah.
That's him.
Typical... typical Joe Francis.
Unbelievable.
He's going to hell on a fast train, as far as I'm concerned.
Like, choo-choo! Make way.
All right, Joe, this is the final act, man.
You're gonna go in there... Okay.
Be your real self, and educate her a little bit about what you do.
I'm nervous, though.
I'm nervous. She... this woman does not like me at all.
I'm just shaking.
I'm still so... I'm just... really?
What? (Laughs) Oh, my God.
All right. You ready?
Okay. Go, Joe.
Bye-bye.
♪ Go, go ♪
♪ go on, give it to him ♪
♪ go, go ♪
Have a moral compass.
His moral compass is so broken.
♪ Go, go ♪
♪ go on, give it to him ♪
♪ go, go ♪
♪ go on, give it to him ♪
Are you inviting me back up to your room 'cause the girls
called their mother and they came and picked them up?
Yeah. Yeah.
I always travel with a film crew.
So I figured, why not?
Oh, great. Hi. Don't worry.
I'm not gonna show anything.
I'm not gonna get drunk and sign anything away, nothing like that.
I just need to talk to you about what you think about me.
Come on, am I really that bad a guy?
I think maybe you need to make some adjustments to what you're doing.
Because there are a lot of things you could do... I'll tell you what.
To help girls, and I think what you're doing harms them.
But you admit you don't know me at all, right? You've
never met me at all, right?
I've never met you, but I know what I think of you based on your product
and based on your lifestyle... Okay? Based on... based on
my character on television.
That I know of on the media.
My product and the media?
Right.
All three, I believe, unfair assessments of who I really am.
Okay. All right.
Hi, Peggy.
I'm a woman of my word.
(Gasps) Hi! How are you?
Hi. I'm well.
He got the "hi!" From Peggy.
Mario. Very nice to meet you.
What's going on?
We know, clearly, you're a Joe hater.
(Laughs)
And there's cameras hidden all over the place here.
Oh, my God. (Laughs)
You're on the show "H8R."
So this guy has really been sort of playing a role.
He's given you the Joe Francis that... that you think you know.
We wanna give you the opportunity to spend a little time with Joe
to get to know the real Joe, and then you can form your opinion afterwards.
All right.
I'm a Joe Francis hater to the core... a very strong opinion about
what's right and what's wrong.
And I think what he's doing is wrong, and if he thinks
he can convince me otherwise, good luck.
State your case, and I'll make an assessment.
Well, let's hang out.
All right.
All right, Peggy.
Deal? Deal?
All I want is a fair shake.
From what I heard Peggy saying about me, this is gonna be a long day.
I'm sure there's a lot of other people out there that think the same way,
but, you know, they're not based on anything, I think.
They're based on headlines, and that's what my challenge is, I guess.
I wanna see if I can make her understand who I am and turn my hater around.
Turn my hater into a lover.
♪
Where are you taking me?
We're actually going to my house.
Is that cool?
We're going to your house?
Yeah, I'm gonna take you home.
It's your birthday.
Oh.
Peggy is wrong about me, definitely, 100%.
I'm hoping that Peggy has an open mind, because, you know,
I think I'm a pretty good guy and I know I'm a pretty good guy.
Why do you hate me?
That's what I wanna know.
Why are you a hater?
Well, I will tell you. Not... well, I was just gonna point out
this is Nancy Reagan's house up here on the right... oh. Right on.
Where she lives.
So talk to me.
Tell me what you were saying.
Honestly, are you ready to clear the air?
Well, this is the deal.
You know, you... this is the house... have you ever seen
"the Beverly hillbillies"?
Yes, I have.
This is the house at the beginning of "the Beverly hillbillies,"
right here on the right-hand side. But I really wanna hear
what you have to say.
I think you're making bad choices with what you're doing with your life.
This is Michael bay's house.
He's building.
Instead of talking to me, he was just telling me his neighbors, and that
accomplished absolutely nothing.
You are every mom's worst nightmare.
So... so... I gotta tell you that.
Let me ask you a question.
How does that make you feel?
So you think... well, that's your opinion.
You're entitled to that.
But you think... lot of people's opinion, Joe.
Really?
Yes.
I'd rather be sticking myself in the eye with hot coals
than be sitting in a car with Joe Francis.
It's uncomfortable, blindingly awkward, and I never, ever thought
I would be here ever.
Coming up... let's go upstairs.
What? Okay.
Joe lets a hen in the fox house.
Here's newborn Joe.
Aw!
That's me as a little baby.
That's my mom.
And that's your mom?
Yeah.
Can he prove he's an average Joe?
I wanna see if I can turn my hater into a lover.
Mirrors aren't on the ceiling now, Peggy, right?
Or will he reveal too much?
It's a real "girls gone wild"
photo shoot. What do you think?
Are you kidding me?
And then... I heard you were my biggest fan.
Kim k. Keeps up with the hater.
If Armenian girls are really curvy, and you dated Armenians guys,
it would be the same thing, and I could say the same thing but I wouldn't.
It's not the same thing.
Why isn't that the same thing? 'Cause I date... just 'cause you... let me finish.
Pulling into the house here.
And these are all your cars, I'm assuming?
Yeah, some of them.
Instead of talking to me, here's Joe, you know, telling me his neighbors
and showing off his cars.
How many cars do you have?
A lot.
I really don't care about any of that.
Well, that accomplished absolutely nothing.
What's important to me is who you are and what difference
you're making in the world, and I think that point was missed.
What do you think?
You like the place?
Better than what you expected?
Um, let me look around for a minute.
It's every... what I would expect a house that Joe Francis would live in.
Really?
Bachelor pad, nicely furnished, big mirrors.
(Laughs) Well, the... you're a bit of a voyeur, I can tell.
Well, the mirrors aren't on the ceiling now, Peggy, right?
By getting Peggy to come to the house, it was just a way
for her to see who I am.
Let me walk you around.
Let me show you the rest of the house.
All right.
I think she was impressed with what she saw. I hope.
I could be the... the crazy one.
I don't care about all that.
(Laughs)
All these pretty things... these beautiful pretty things
that you have are great, but at what cost were all these pretty things?
It didn't impress me 'cause I was kind of disgusted.
The more he showed me that was pretty, the more disgusted I got
as far as, like, oh, great.
Well, you're exploiting 18 year olds who show off their...
And this is what you get for it.
What do they get?
What do they get out of it?
I wanna know, like, do you have a family photo album?
What's your family like?
I do. Come here.
Let's go upstairs.
What? Okay. Let's do that.
Should we go upstairs?
Sure.
Now my bedroom's up here.
Oh, God.
Here's newborn Joe.
Aw!
That's me as a little baby.
That's my mom.
And that's your mom?
Yeah.
Wow. Cute.
So this is your family.
Three sisters. See that?
You have three sisters.
Do you know how surprising that is to me right now?
Why?
I'm a woman lover.
I empower women.
I empower women to do what they wanna do.
I get called a misogynist.
Now I think that's just plain stupid.
The reality is, is I love women and I love to empower women.
Hmm.
Okay.
(Speaks indistinctly)
You empower women.
That's a very loaded statement.
There's my first plane.
So is your mom proud of you?
My mom is proud of me.
And your sisters... do they come visit?
Yeah.
Do you have a good relationship with your family?
Yes.
Were they ever unhappy with you because of... of your company? You had...
come on. You've had to have a conversation with your mom.
Yeah, but I've had... but my mom's from Europe.
She's a little more free about that kind of thing.
In Europe, they show... yeah, they show hardcore... they...
since I was a little kid, I've seen hardcore pornography
on television in Europe, just on normal broadcast.
Right.
Here, they cover up this.
And, like, what's the difference between a nipple and a nipple?
You know, it's like, guys have nipples, girls have nipples.
What's a nip slip? Come on.
Right. Right.
His family looked normal.
He has three sisters.
So I was a little surprised and taken aback by that.
I really hope that Joe shows me that he is going to empower women
rather than destroying women.
Look at this!
It's a nice pool... And a hot girl in a hot tub.
Big surprise.
It's a... it's a real "girls gone wild" photo shoot.
What do you think?
Are you kidding me?
That's a real "girls gone wild" photo shoot.
I walk outside, and, of course, there's a "girls gone wild" photo shoot
going on.
Oh, big surprise.
Kelly, are you being exploited right now?
(Speaks indistinctly)
This is my new friend Peggy.
Hi.
She thinks you're being exploited.
Hi, Kelly. How are you?
Come on, let's go meet her.
Let's go meet her. Come on.
You'll be fine.
Oh, God. Here we go.
Hi. Nice meeting you. Peggy.
Sorry to interrupt your photo shoot.
Nice to meet you, too.
I don't ever see where flashing your... As an 18 year old
is gonna do anything positive for your life. Sorry.
She actually won "the hottest girl in America"
on our show on hdnet.
Right on. She's beautiful.
Nd she can be hotter. I asked her to be hotter right now
but she couldn't do it.
Get out of here, Joe.
Are you getting to keep all your clothes on?
Oh, yeah. What you see is what you get right here.
Okay, right on. Right on.
Have I ever asked you to take your top off?
He has never asked me to take my top off.
There are a couple inherent differences between this
and "girls gone wild" videos.
It's all the same.
That's a completely separate situation!
I'm not a violent person.
I don't want to physically hurt you.
I just wanna shake some sense into you.
So I'm gonna let you two hang out... Okay.
And you talk for a minute.
All right?
Come on, Peggy.
Okay, cool. All right, cool.
Don't let that one bite.
So Joe takes me out to talk to this beautiful girl, Kelly from Texas.
And all I can see when I look around is lost souls and tears.
I'm a Joe Francis hater.
No way!
I don't like what he's done.
I... it's way. Of course.
I've heard some bad things, but, I mean, once I got to know everybody,
once I went to headquarters and met everybody... I met Joe the first day.
He was a total gentleman.
Hmm.
Did some pictures in bikinis... nothing nude.
Really?
Yeah.
I think Kelly's a smart girl, if she keeps her shirt on.
And I think she is the definite exception to the rule.
I thank you for your time.
You are a beautiful girl.
Thank you. Okay, I hope you change your mind.
All right, Kelly.
Stay strong.
Joe's a great person.
Stay strong, Kelly.
I think Joe wants to be a good guy.
Is he a good guy? I don't know.
Joe?
This is Kristin.
Hi.
Hi, Kristin. How are you?
Kristin meets a lot of "girls gone wild" girls.
Peggy seems to think that all girls are making...
are not making their decisions, that we're forcing girls
and getting them drunk.
Wait, can you go away for a minute?
Okay. Yeah, that's cool.
I wanna ask her some questions.
Okay, I'm... I'm gonna... but just real quick.
Okay, we know he's the boss so you can't say whatever.
How long have you been with him?
About three years.
Three years. So how is he as a boss? Is he good to you?
He's been nothing but respectful and nice to me, I have to say.
Does he have a bit of a temper? 'Cause I hear he has a bit of a temper.
He never has to me.
Okay.
In all the time I've worked for him, he's been... you're so politically correct.
No, no, I'm not even... no, I'm being honest.
Okay.
I'm not completely buying it.
Joe?
And so now it's hardcore Peggy to Joe, toe-to-toe.
Only the truth will prevail.
Otherwise, still gonna be a hater.
♪
Coming up... so what do you think has to change about me?
If you're gonna convince me, there are a couple things that I would either...
So are you sexually empowered?
Like to know or see.
Are you sexually empowered?
Of course I am.
I make my own choices.
So why can't other girls make their own choices?
They can.
Okay, so what age do they have to be to make their own choices?
Smart enough not to do something stupid that's gonna follow them around
for the rest of their life.
Black guys are like, "ooh, this Kim Kardashian.
Who's this Kim Kardashian?
Wow, she's got a fat ass,"
whatever.
If you look at my aunts and my cousins and my sisters
and everyone, we have that curvy body, too. It's not just
an African-American thing.
I really want to sit down and talk with Joe without any distractions,
one-to-one, and have a heartfelt conversation about how he can
make a difference.
Otherwise, still gonna be a hater.
I can honestly tell you what I've seen today, and I will speak for just today,
it is... it seems fine.
It's pretty... it's benign.
However, it's not what I've seen on the commercial.
You're saying it's not different.
Well, you've been judging it from a commercial!
You can't do that.
I can't?
You gotta see it for yourself.
But that's what you put out there in the media.
Of course that's what I'm judging it on. Imagine your...
Kelly's all over the media.
Kelly's on the front cover of a magazine right now.
Yeah, she's the exception to the rule.
We're not even talking about Kelly right now.
I think I did a good job by introducing Peggy to Kelly.
But she seemed to refer to Kelly all the te as the exception to the rule...
whatever freakin' rule Peggy was talking about.
I'm still not completely convinced.
Okay, so what do you think has to change about me?
If you're gonna convince me to think differently about you,
then there are a couple things that I would either like to know or see.
So are you sexually empowered?
Are you sexually empowered?
Of course I am.
I make my own choices.
Okay. So why can't other girls make their own choices?
They can.
Okay, so what age do they have to be to make their own choices?
Smart enough not to do something stupid that's gonna follow them around
for the rest of their life.
Okay. Okay. Give me an age.
Legally, it's 18.
Okay, so a girl can make her own decision at 18.
Every girl I've represented to you, every girl who does "girls gone wild"
is over the age of 18.
Do they have the right to make that decision?
Legally, yes.
Do I think it's always the smartest decision? No.
Well, we actually have what's called a remorse policy in "girls gone wild."
What does that mean?
Anybody requests to be taken out of "girls gone wild"
after they shoot or they change their mind, it's... it's usually between
one day and three months after they shoot.
It takes a while for actual production to... to make it to air.
And they call that compliance hotline and they say, "I don't want to bon.
I was drunk or I made a mistake or a regret it."
Take 'em out.
No questions asked.
So when is that taken into effect?
It's been in effect since we've been in business.
Really?
Yeah.
It's called the remorse policy.
So it is their choice, and they have an after choice, too.
Okay.
Yeah, 'cause we want willing participants.
Let me ask you this.
And by the way, I agree with you 100%.
On what?
100% on one thing.
What's that?
That 16 year old girls shouldn't be going out and being on "girls gone wild."
An underage girl... I agree with you.
And think you and I may have gotten on the wrong foot because
you had some misinformation.
Okay.
So you're okay with it?
You're okay with life?
You're okay with what you do?
But who would you be without all this?
If Joe can just be honest with me and really connect, and I'll be able
to just see it in his eyes and just let me see the true Joe.
I mean, what happens when Joe decides he wants to get married
and have a family?
Let me share a part of my life.
Look, I was wrongfully accused of doing something, and I ended up I jail.
Not... not convicted of a crime, but held with... without bail for almost a year.
And I didn't have any of this.
You know how many times I thought about all the cars and all the houses
and all the things?
Never. (Laughs)
Not once.
But what did you think about while you were in there?
I thought about family.
I thought about friends.
Okay.
And I thought about how strong the friendships I have.
And I thought about getting out, my freedom and that, and righting the wrong
that had been done to me.
But, um, I didn't think about this.
So that was never important.
Materialism is not important to me at all.
Okay.
I've achieved enough for myself.
Okay.
All the things that you're telling me is true, like you want it to be
a woman's choice and you want them to be consenting and the remorse policy
and all these things that, you know, America really doesn't know.
I think I dispelled any of the myths, any of the preconceived notions or ideas
that Peggy brought with her.
And I think Peggy knows that she was wrong.
She is wrong.
Okay.
You have given me some information that I didn't have, so I guess I have, uh,
a little decision to make.
All right.
Yeah.
I think we've done good. Right?
Yes, right.
All right, so tell me... let's say Talia turns 18 years old, and she wants to be
on "girls gone wild."
She says, "mom, I've thought about it.
I've talked to girls that have done it.
And it's my decision. I wanna be on 'girls gone wild.'"
what would you say?
No.
(Laughs)
I don't know what's gonna happen with Peggy.
You know, Peggy's a tough one.
I was really nervous to, uh, to ask Peggy the question, "are you a hater?"
Because some people, uh, will never come around.
Some people will never love or like you and always hate you for some reason.
She may still be a hater.
Well, uh, it's... you know, it's been a really interesting day.
It's been an eye-opening sort of journey today, so I'm a little overwhelmed.
Have you learned anything new that, uh, you didn't know before about me?
I have.
I have learned a couple of things about you today that I did not know.
And have you got to ask pretty much every question you wanted to ask me?
I know a lot more about you now, so I gotta ask you, though, I mean, does it...
does it bother you that people don't like you?
People are still... are still gonna hate me.
That just comes with the territory, so I'm able to let it roll off,
but today was a little more intense, because obviously you're
right there in the next room, and, uh, then I have to face you
after saying that.
It's one thing to read it on a blog.
It's another thing to go face-to-face... actually face
the person that does that.
Face-to-face and spend the day, and I think we've had fun together.
I think we've had a fun day, but, you know... you know
I have to ask you, right?
You have to ask me?
I have to ask you.
Are you still a hater?
Do you hate me?
I gotta tell you, Joe, I'm not a hater.
Aw!
(Chuckles)
Look at that.
I really think, in the last moment, that when I looked into Joe's eyes,
he really, finally got it.
Like, I think, moving forward, he's going to make a difference.
Well, cheers, Peggy.
Happy Birthday.
Thank you.
It was great to spend the day with you.
(Clink)
Thank you, Joe Francis.
I'm relieved that Peggy's not a hater.
Everything Peggy had told me and every reaction she had to me
led me to truly believe that Peggy hated me.
And thanks for not being a hater.
Appreciate that.
You're welcome.
So I was really surprised, and it was a pleasant surprise.
Here's a toast to you.
You're not the man I thought you were.
You're actually better.
Thank you, Peggy.
(Clink)
You're welcome.
I cannot believe that Joe Francis won me over, a redheaded Southern girl
with an attitude.
Unbelievable.
One person at a time, I guess, right?
Exactly.
♪
Coming up... >> Kim Kardashian... I hate her ass.
That ass is not real.
This is real.
Oh! Come on.
I (Bleep) Hate Kim k.
One of the biggest names in reality tv confronts her hater...
Hi. Is deena here?
And then... I heard you were my biggest fan.
Kim k. Keeps up with the hater.
If Armenian girls are really curvy, and you dated Armenian guys,
it would be the same thing, and I could say the same thing, but I wouldn't.
It's not the same thing.
Why isn't that the same thing?
'Cause I've date... because, uh... let me finish.
Just 'cause the few...
All right.
Our next hater is hating on one of the hottest celebs around... Kim Kardashian.
America has been keeping up with the recently married Kim Kardashian
for the past several years.
(Indistinct shouting)
(Camera shutters clicking)
The socialite-turned- reality star has made it cool
for buxom beauties everywhere to flaunt their curves.
With an onslaught of media covering her lavish nuptials,
this newlywed dime piece has attracted her fair share of smack-talkers,
but before those wedding bells rang, we caught up with Kim Kardashian
and introduced her to one of her haters.
All right.
We just got to Kim's house.
I'm gonna go get her.
♪
♪ go, go ♪
♪ go on, give it to him ♪
Hey. (Laughs)
Hi.
(Chuckles) Nice to see you.
You ready?
'Cause you got a hater.
You gotta meet 'em.
You know, you... (Chuckles)
I'm nervous, but I'm ready to prove this hater wrong, so... all right.
Let's go meet your hater.
All right.
God, so many haters in this world.
♪
What's this hater all about?
Okay.
I'm gonna show you right now.
This is your hater deena.
She thought she was auditioning for a different reality show about pop culture
and had no idea you were ever gonna see this.
Let's take a look at deena.
Kim Kardashian... I hate her ass.
That ass is not real.
This is real.
I don't like what you stand for.
I don't like how you out here tanning, how you got the lip injections.
You're sucking up the game for me, okay?!
I used to have a corner on this market!
Damn!
Oh! Come on.
Frankly, the bitch is a thief.
She got the fake Booty.
She's all over the media with our men.
Everything about you is fake.
You know where all of that (Bleep) You got, where it came from?
It comes from us.
Hello, is anybody in there?
You need to stop trying to act like you first person to ever have a Booty,
'cause it ain't true.
I (Bleep) Hate Kim k.
Gosh, I would never say that to someone.
I would never feel so threatened by anyone.
You gonna set her straight?
Yeah, I mean, I would just... I'm such the non confrontational person,
but I feel like, if someone just has it all the way wrong, I would just like
to meet someone and get them to know the real me.
Mm-hmm.
Well, you're gonna get the opportunity right now,
'cause we're gonna ambush deena.
♪
So deena is actually doing yoga right now.
She thinks she's part of a yoga training video and has no clue
what's about to happen, and we're gonna surprise her
in the middle of the class.
Okay.
Bend and reach up to the sky.
All right.
Okay, Kim.
Are you ready to go in there and confront your hater?
Yeah.
She's in her yoga class.
All right. Good luck.
(Chuckles)
I'm gonna go in there.
All right.
This woman is gonna kill me.
Go get 'em.
Aah! I hate confrontation.
I mean, her rant was crazy.
That kinda stuff just, I think, irritates me a little bit,
when people think that they know so much about you, and they have
this opinion of you, but they don't really know any of the facts.
The left arm to the sky, looking inward.
Inhale.
Reach up nice and big.
Right this way, Kim.
She's inside.
(Hinges creak)
(Speaks indistinctly)
Hi. Is deena here?
Hi, gorgeous.
♪
Coming up... She's not gonna listen to me.
I mean, come on, at the end of the day... Well, she'll... she's Kim Kardashian.
She's just gonna keep doing whatever it is that she does.
Oh, no, I mean... I don't get why you keep on rolling your eyes when I'm...
I-I'm not black.
♪
Hi. Is deena here?
Hi, gorgeous.
I heard you loved me.
(Laughs)
Can I get a hug, gorgeous?
What is this? (Chuckles)
I came to give you some love.
I heard you were my biggest fan.
(Laughs)
I don't even know what to say.
I'm even... this is crazy.
I didn't even think it was real.
Like, I'm like, is this a look-alike or what?
She's so made-up, so glamorous.
As I'm looking into her eyes, it's almost like a doll, like a baby doll.
It was bizarre.
It was... it was weird.
(Chuckles)
Are you all right?
This... I'm shocked.
(Laughs)
Y'all outdid... y'all outdid y'all's selves on this one.
We need to talk.
Yeah, we do. (Chuckles)
We do.
You know, I heard some of the things that were said, and so I would love you
to get to know me, and, you know, have your opinion at the end of the day,
whatever you feel, I'm fine with that, but I would love to just get
to know you for a little bit, and then you can make an informed decision
with it all.
(Laughing)
This... oh, my God!
Y'all are taking it too far right now.
Thiss taking it too far!
(Laughs)
How are you?
They're puttin' me on the spot right now.
I'm good.
You are on a show called "H8R."
(Laughs)
You were saying some unkind things about my dear friend.
I was feeling the rage in that... in that rant.
I thought you were gonna, like, knuckle up.
I wanted to make sure... (Laughs)
Kim was gonna be okay, so... (Laughs)
Yeah, I mean, if she's serious about talking a little bit and let...
that's cool. You... you gotta... I don't care.
Hate me at the end, I don't care, but... but get to know me for a little bit.
She's not gonna listen to me.
I mean, come on, at the end of the day... Well, she'll... she's Kim Kardashian.
She's just gonna keep doing whatever it is that she does.
Well, she took the time to come here, and I know she had some ideas
about maybe how to resolve this.
Wh-what, uh... I-I heard you paint, and you're an artist, and that's something
that I've never done before, so I thought maybe we can go to a local studio
and hang out for a little bit and you can, you know, make your own opinions.
All right.
If that's what you want to do.
Cool. Ladies.
♪ Go, go ♪
♪ go on, give it to him ♪
♪ go, go ♪
♪ go on, give it to him ♪
♪ go, go ♪
♪ go on, give it to him ♪
♪ go, go ♪
♪ go on, do it ♪
All right, girl.
(Laughs)
It's time for real talk, okay?
I think it's commendable that she came in and she faces me,
especially given the things that I said about her, but I'm still, you know,
I'm not sure.
Like, is she really gonna listen to me?
Is she gonna hear the concerns?
Definitely there's a few of us who feel like, you know, come on,
she's... she's stealing our shine.
Okay, the point is, when... when the black guys are like,
"ooh, this Kim kardashian.
Who's this Kim kardashian?
Wow, she's got a fat ass,"
whatever, you know, and it's... mm.
It's like, but wait a minute.
Wait. Wait.
I thought we had a corner on that.
That's us. That's who we are.
But I'm Armenian, so that's a part of my culture.
If you look at my aunts and my cousins and my sisters and everyone,
we have that curvy body, too.
It's not just an African-American thing... I don't see it on them.
So... I see it on you.
You got it.
It hurts me to hear some of the things that you say,
because I just feel like I, 1 billion percent rep my Armenian community,
and who I date... and just because you might have seen a few people
that have been higher profile that have been, you know, black,
I don't feel like it's really my responsibility to go and now completely rep
his culture, when I don't know a lot about it, so I feel like I'm...
so all these black men, you're gonna tell me, it... it...
let... girl, you gotta keep it... my responsibility is to do...
keep it real with me real quick, please.
Just, please.
But I am.
Oh, no, I mean... I don't get why you keep on rolling your eyes when I'm...
I-I'm not black... I know you're not black, but you're gonna tell me that...
So I'm trying to bring awareness to my culture.
You're dating all these guys, right, and you don't know
anything about our culture?
I never said that.
I mean, maybe it's just, like, my personality.
I feel like you can date whoever you want, and that wouldn't matter to me.
What if someone was judging you off of... 'cause if Armenian girls are
really curvy, and you dated Armenian guys, it would be the same thing,
and I could say the same thing, but I wouldn't.
It's not the same thing.
Why isn't that the same thing?
'Cause I've date... because, uh... just 'cause the few... let me finish, okay?
You are Kim kardashian, and you're gonna do, you know, what's good for you,
and I get it.
I'm not gonna lie.
I feel a little jealous.
I'm like, gosh, this woman, you know, she comes out of nowhere, and it's...
People have given me (Bleep)
For my shape since I was young, you know, and it's hard dealing with that
sometimes, you know, so I think you and Beyonce have kinda opened up
that world for people like us, who have those voluptuous shapes.
I'll acknowledge that I feel a certain sense of jealousy.
When you see Kim and her family benefiting on a grand level,
making $6 million a year, kudos to them.
Of course I'm jealous.
♪ Love your style, girl ♪
♪ we love your style ♪
♪ good, good girl ♪
♪ we love your style ♪
♪ love your style, girl ♪
What in the community would you expect me to give back to?
I think one of your issues of, we don't showcase things
on the show that would give back to the black community,
if you had seen the show, then you would know that we actually did,
'cause you didn't hear about, you know, new Orleans, or building the homes
or meeting this family or... we're filming in Africa this season.
I've been to Africa three times, you know.
And I think therein lies the problem, you know... um, the negative things
that we see just in the general media, because I don't watch the show.
The stuff that's emphasized comes through louder.
I was really surprised to hear about the work she's done in Africa
and new Orleans.
Um, I'm not a fan, of course, so I don't really follow follow her.
You kinda just see what you see.
She's everywhere, and I was just shocked to know that she's done
some great things.
All right, so tell me about your dating life.
Like, do you have a boyfriend?
Are you married?
Now you're gonna, um, embarrass me, huh?
(Laughs)
(Laughs) Impossible, thou.
Have you ever dated a white guy?
Yeah, I have.
Really?
The love of my life, actually, was a white guy, but I made
some decisions recently to really focus on finding a black man,
you know what I mean?
So what if you fell in love with an guy that was Asian, and it had everything
that you were looking for, but he just wasn't the same skin color?
I would marry him, I guess, because I want to be happy.
Mm.
Talking to her right there and creating was an awesome experience,
because, um, there were a lot of different things
that we... we were actually able to connect on.
I just think you have to be open-minded, no matter what, you know,
and not judge.
It's so much easier.
♪
So we spent some time together.
Has... has it changed your, you know, idea at all?
Um, I wouldn't say it completely changed, because I still would like
to see you do some more to, you know, publicize the work that you're doing.
You mentioned, you went to Africa three times?
You know, why aren't they promoting that?
But you are a brave woman with some of that (Bleep)
I said, you know what I'm saying?
Like... (Laughs)
(Laughs)
And I'm gonna look at you differently, so opening yourself up
to listening to me, really hearing me, I... you've earned my respect today.
You have.
Thank you.
Yeah.
This experience humbled me.
You know, I like to talk a lot of (Bleep)... (Laughs)
But at the end of the day, she's a woman.
I'm a woman.
You know, we have similarities in, you know, our shapes.
As we were creating the work, we were also creating a connection.
After this, I'd hope you're not still a hater, but you can answer that
for yourself.
I'm not a hater.
I'm not gonna say I'm gonna be a huge fan and start watching your show
every day, but I definitely have a lot of respect for you,
and it's not just about the show.
It's not just about this beautiful, glamorous person.
You have a heart.
I get it.
Thank you, and definitely when opportunities come about where we can showcase
other things that are important to you, I mean, I definitely agree that
it's important as well, so... >> Now I like you. (Laughs)
(Laughs)
Now I like you.
I can't wait to see it.
Do your thing.
Thank you.
Mm-hmm.
♪
Next time on "H8R"... >> Maksim is in the category of worthless celebrities.
He's an arrogant jerk and he's cocky.
I hate cocky guys.
What kind of a man do you think I am?
Cocky, flashy.
So great qualities.
You're an ass.
Sexy dance star maksim chmerkovskiy runs into an unwilling dance partner.
So you've never killed anyone, have you?
I don't know.
What does the Internet say?
Will he cha-cha his way into her heart... In this environment... (Chuckles)
You don't put me down.
Or will he justify her hate?
You're cocky and you're a jerk.
Are you out of your (Bleep) Mind?
Then... get out of here, miz!
Wwe superstar "the miz"
shocks his hater... You wanna say something?!
Say something!
Say it!
But gets a surprise smackdown.
Oh, my God!
(Grunts)
No, guys! Guys, no!
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I won best photo for the pink's hot dog photo shoot.
But it does that mean that I am safe in this house whatsoever.
Do you guys realize the first two people that